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1782.
October 26. Saturday
Arrived, at night at the
Hotel de Valois,
Rue de Richelieu, after a journey of ten Days from the
Hague, from whence We, Mr. John
Thaxter,Mr. Charles Storer and I parted last Thursday
was a Week.
The first Thing to be done, in
Paris, is always to send for a Taylor,
Peruke maker and Shoemaker, for this nation has established such a domination
over the Fashion, that neither Cloaths, Wigs nor
Shoes made in any other Place will do in
Paris. This is one of the Ways, in which
France taxes all
Europe, and will tax
America. It is a great Branch of the Policy of the Court, to
preserve and increase this national Influence over the Mode, because it
occasions an immense Commerce between
France and all the other Parts of
Europe.
Paris furnishes the Materials and the manner, both to Men and
Women,every where else.
Mr. Ridley lodges in the
Rue de Clairi [Clry],No. 60.
Mr. Jay. Rue des petits Augustins,
Hotel D'Orleans.
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1782
OCT. 27. SUNDAY.
Went into the Bath, upon
the Seine, not far from the
Pont Royal, opposite
the Tuilleries. You are shewn into a
little Room, which has a large Window looking over the River into the
Tuilleries. There is a Table, a Glass and two Chairs, and you are furnished
with hot linnen, Towels &c. There is a Bell which
you ring when you want any Thing.
Went in search of Ridley and found
him. He says F. [Franklin] has broke up the
Practice of inviting every Body to dine with him
on Sundays at
Passy. That he is getting better. The Gout left him weak. But he
begins to sit, at Table.
That J. [Jay] insists on having
an exchange of full Powers, before he enters on Conference or Treaty. Refuses
to treat with D'Aranda, untill he has
a Copy of his Full Powers. Refused to treat with Oswald, untill he had a
Commission to treat with the Commissioners of the
United States of America. -- F. was afraid to insist upon it.
Was afraid We should be obliged to treat without. Differed with J. Refused to
sign a Letter &c. Vergennes wanted him to treat
with D'Aranda, with out.
The Ministry quarrel. De Fleury has attacked De
Castries, upon the Expences of the
Marine.Vergennes is supposed to be with De
Fleury. -- Talk of a Change of Ministry. -- Talk of De
Choiseul, &c.
F. wrote to
Madrid, at the Time when he wrote his pretended Request to
resign, and supposed that J. would succeed him at this Court and obtained a
Promise that W. should be
Sec. [Secretary]. Jay did not know
but he was well qualified for the Place.
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Went to the
Hotel D'orleans, Rue des petites Augustins, to see my Colleage in the Commission for Peace,Mr.
Jay, but he and his Lady were gone out.
Mr. R. dined with me, and after dinner We went to view the Appartements in the
Hotel du Roi, and then to Mr. J. and Mrs.
Iz. [Izard], but none at home. R. returned, drank
Tea and spent the Evening with me. Mr. Jeremiah Allen, our
Fellow Passenger in the leaky Sensible, and our Fellow Traveller through
Spain, came in and spent the Evening. He has been home since and
returned.
R. is still full of Js. Firmness and Independance. Has taken upon himself, to act without
asking Advice or even communicating with
the C. [Comte] de
V. [Vergennes] -- and this even in opposition to
an Instruction." This Instruction, which is alluded to in a Letter I received
at the Hague a few days before I left it, has never yet been
communicated to me. It seems to have been concealed, designedly from me. The
Commission to W. was urged to be filled up, as soon as the Commission came
to O. [Oswald] to treat
with the Mins. [Ministers] of
the united States, and it is filled up and signed. W. has lately
been very frequently with J. at his house, and has been very desirous of
perswading F. to live in the same house with J. -- Between two as subtle
Spirits, as any in this World, the one malicious, the other I think honest, I
shall have a delicate, a nice, a critical Part to Act. F.s cunning will be to
divide Us. To this End he will provoke, he will insinuate, he will intrigue, he
will maneuvre. My Curiosity will at least be
employed in observing his Invention and his Artifice. J. declares roundly, that
he will never set his hand to a bad Peace. Congress may appoint another, but he
will make a good Peace or none.
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1782.
OCTOBER 28. MONDAY.
Dined with Mr. Allen.
OCT. 29.
TUESDAY.
Dined at the
Hotel du Roi. Mr. R. dined with Us. In the Evening, I went out
to
Passy to make my Visit to Franklin.
OCT. 30.
WEDNESDAY.
Dined with Mr. Jay.
OCT. 31.
THURSDAY.
Dined with Mr. Oswald.Dr. F., Mr. Jay,Mr. Oswald, Mr.
Stretchy, Mr. Roberts and Mr.
Whitford.
NOVEMBER
1 FRYDAY.
Dined at
Passy with Mr. F.
NOV. 2
SATURDAY
Mr. Oswald, Mr.
Franklin, Mr. Jay,Mr. Strechy,Mr. W. Franklin, dined with me at the
Hotel du Roi, rue du Carrousel.
Almost every Moment of this Week has been employed in Negotiation, with the
English Gentlemen, concerning Peace. We have made two Propositions. One the
Line of forty five degrees. The other a Line thro the
Middles of the Lakes. And for the Bound between
Mass. and
Nova Scotia -- a Line from
the Mouth of St. Croix to its Source, and from its Source to the
high Lands.
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1782.
NOVEMBER 3 SUNDAY.
In my first Conversation with Franklin on Tuesday
Evening last, he told me of Mr.
Oswalds Demand of the Payment of Debts and Compensation to the Tories.
He said their Answer had been, that We had not Power, nor had Congress. I told
him I had no Notion of cheating any Body. The
Question of paying Debts, and that of compensating Tories were two. -- I had
made the same Observation, that forenoon to Mr.
Oswald and Mr. Stretchy, in
Company with Mr. Jay at his House . . . .I saw it
struck Mr. Stretchy with peculiar
Pleasure, I saw it instantly smiling in every Line of his Face.Mr. O. was apparently pleased with it too.
In a subsequent Conversation with my Colleagues, I proposed to them that We
should agree that Congress should recommend it to the States to open their
Courts of Justice for the Recovery of all just Debts. They gradually fell in to
this Opinion, and We all expressed these Sentiments to the English Gentlemen,
who were much pleased with it, and with Reason, because it silences the Clamours of all the British Creditors, against the Peace,
and prevents them from making common Cause with the Refugees.
Mr. J. came in and spent two hours, in
Conversation, upon our Affairs, and We attempted an Answer to Mr. Oswalds Letter. He is perfectly of my Opinion
or I am of his respecting Mr. Dana's true Line of Conduct as
well as his with Spain, and ours with
France,
Spain and
England.
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1782.October Novem. 3
Sunday
I learn from him that there has not been an Harmony, between him
and C. [Carmichael]. The latter aimed at
founding himself upon a French Interest, and was more supple to the french
Ambassador at
Madrid, and to Mr.
G. [Grard] than was approved by the former.
G. endeavoured to perswade him to shew him, his Instructions, which he refused at which offence was taken.
V. [Vergennes] has
endeavoured to perswade him to treat
with D'Aranda, without exchanging Powers. He refuses. V. also
pronounced Oswalds first Commission
sufficient, and was for making the Acknowledgement of American Independance the first Article of the Treaty. J.
would not treat. The Consequence was, a compleat Acknowledgment of our Independence by Oswalds new Commission under the great Seal of
G.B. to treat with the Commissioners of the
United States of America. -- Thus a temperate Firmness has
succeeded every where, but the base System
nowhere.
R. [Ridley] says
that Jennings is in easy Circumstances, and as he always lives
within his Income, is one of the most independent Men in the World. He remitted
him 3000 St. when he came over to
France. His Father left him Ten Thousand Pounds. He kept great
Company in
England and no other. He is related to several principal
Families in
America, and to several great Families in
England. Was bred to the Law in the Temple, and practised as Chamber Council, but no other.
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1782.OctoberNovem. 3
Sunday
He is related to Several principal Families in
America and to Several great Families in
England. Was bred to the Law in the Temple, and practised as Chamber Council, but no otherwise.
D'Estaing has set off for
Madrid and
Cadix. Reste a Scavoir, what his Object is. Whether to take the
Command of a Squadron, and in that Case where to go -- whether to
R. Island to join Vaudreul,
and go vs.
N. York, or to the
W. Indies. Will they take
N. York, or only prevent the English from
evacuating it. -- O. proposed solemnly to all 3 of Us, Yesterday, at his House,
to agree not to molest the British Troops in the Evacuation, but We did not.
This however shews they have it in Contemplation.
Suppose they are going against
W. Florida -- how far are We bound to favour the Spaniards? Our Treaty with
France must and shall be sacredly fulfilled, and We must admit
Spain to acceed when She will, but untill She does our Treaty does not bind Us to
France to assist
Spain.
The present Conduct of England and America resembles that of the Eagle and
Cat. An Eagle scaling over a Farmers Yard espied a Creature, that he thought an
Hair. He pounced upon him and took him up. In the Air the Cat seized him by the
Neck with her Teeth and round the Body with her fore and hind Claws. The Eagle
finding Herself scratched and pressed, bids the Cat let go and fall down. No
says the Cat:
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1782October Novem. 3
Sunday
No says the Cat: I wont let go and fall, you shall stoop and set me
down.
NovemberOctober 4.
1782
Called on J. and went to Oswalds and
spent with him and Stretchy from 11 to 3
in drawing up the Articles repecting Debts and Tories and Fishery.
I drew up the Article anew in this form --" That the Subjects of his
Britannic Majesty, and the People of the said
United States, shall continue to enjoy unmolested, the Right to
take fish of every kind, on all the
Banks of Newfoundland, in
the Gulph of St. Laurence and all other Places, where the
Inhabitants of Both Countries used, at any time heretofore, to fish: and also
to dry and cure their Fish, on the
Shores of Nova Scotia,
Cape Sable,
the Isle of Sable, and on the Shores of any of the unsettled
Bays, Harbours or
Creeks of Nova Scotia, and the
Magdalene Islands, and his Britannic Majesty and the said
United States will extend equal Priviledges and Hospitality to each others Fishermen as
to his own."
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OctoberNovember 4.
Monday
Dined with the Marquis de la Fayette, with
the Prince du Poix, the Viscount de
Noailles and his Lady, Mr.
Jay,Mr. Price and his Lady, Mrs.
Izard and her two Daughters, Dr. Bancroft,Mr.
W. Franklin.
The Marquis proposed to me in Confidence
his going out with D'Estaing, to the
W. Indies. But he is to go a Month hence in a
Frigate. -- Mem.
All the forenoon from 11 to 3 at Mr.
Oswalds, Mr. Jay and I. In the Evening there
again, untill near 11.
Stretchy is as artfull and insinuating a Man as they could send. He pushed
and presses every Point as far as it can possible go. He is the most eager,
earnest, pointed Spirit.
We agreed last night to this.
Whereas certain of
the united States, excited therto by the unnecessary Destruction
of private Property, have confiscated all Debts due from their Citizens to
british Subjects and also in certain Instances Lands belonging to the latter.
And Whereas it is just that private Contracts made between Individuals of the
two Countries before the War, should be faithfully executed, and as the
Confiscation of the said Lands may have a Latitude not justifiable by the Law
of Nations, it is agreed that british Creditors shall notwithstanding, meet
with no lawfull Impediment, to recovering the full
value, or Sterling Amount of such bon fide Debts as were contracted
before the Year 1775, and also that Congress will recommend to the said States,
so to correct,
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their said acts respecting the confiscation of Lands in
America belonging to real british subjects as to render their
said Acts consistent with perfect justice and equity.
NOVEMBER 5. TUESDAY.
Mr. Jay likes Frenchmen as little as Mr.
Lee and Mr. Izard did.
He says they are not a Moral People. They know not what it is. He dont like
any Frenchman. -- The Marquis de la Fayette is
clever, but he is a Frenchman. -- Our Allies dont play fair, he told me. They
were endeavouring to deprive Us of the Fishery, the Western Lands, and the
Navigation of
the Missisippi. They would even bargain with the English to
deprive us of them. They want to play the Western Lands,
Missisippi and whole
Gulph of Mexico into the Hands of
Spain.
Oswald talks of Pultney, and a Plott to divide
America between
France and England.
France to have
N. England. They tell a Story about Vergennes and his agreeing that the English might propose
such a division, but reserving a Right to deny it all. These Whispers ought not
to be credited by Us.
NOVEMBER
9. SATURDAY.
The
M. de la Fayette came in, and told me
he had been to
Versailles and in Consultation with him
[Vergennes] about the Affair of Money
as he and I had agreed he should. -- He said he found that the
C. de Vergennes and their Ministry were of the same
Opinion with me.
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That the English were determined to evacuate
New York. -- After Sometime he told me in a great Air of
Confidence, that he was afraid the
Comte took it
amiss that I had not been to
Versailles to see him. The C. told him that he had not been
officially informed, of my Arrival, he had only learn'd it from the Returns of
the Police.
I went out to
Passy to dine with Mr. F. who had been
to
Versailles and presented his Memorial and the Papers
accompanying it. The C. said he would have the Papers
translated to lay them before the King, but the Affair would meet with many
Difficulties. F. brought the same Message, to me from
the C. and said he believed it would be taken kindly
if I went. I told both the Marquis and
the Dr. that I would go tomorrow Morning.
NOVEMBER
10 SUNDAY.
Accordingly at 8 this Morning I went and waited on the Comte He asked me, how We went on with the English? I told
him We divided upon two Points the Tories and Penobscot, two ostensible Points,
for it was impossible to believe that My Lord
Shelburne or the Nation cared much about such Points. I took out of
my Pocket and shewed him the Record of Governour Pownals solemn Act of burying a Leaden
Plate with this Inscription, May 23 1759.
Province of Massachusetts Bay. Penobscot. Dominions of
Great Britain. Possession confirmed by Thomas Pownal
Governor.
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This was planted on the East Side of
the River of Penobscot, 3 miles above Marine Navigation. I shew him also all the other Records -- the Laying out of
Mount Desert,
Machias and all the other Towns to the East of
the River Penobscot, and told him that the Grant of
Nova Scotia by James the first to Sir
William Alexander, bounded it on the
River St. Croix. And that I was possessed of the Authorities of
four of the greatest Governors the King of England ever
had,Shirley,
Pownal,Bernard and
Hutchinson, in favour of our Claim and
of Learned Writings of Shirley and Hutchinson
in support of it. -- The Comte said that Mr.
Fitzherbert told him they wanted it for the Masts: but the
C. said that Canada had an immense
quantity. I told him I thought there were few Masts there, but that I fancied
it was not Masts but Tories that again made the Difficulty. Some of them
claimed Lands in that Territory and others hoped for Grants there.
The
Comte said it was not astonishing that the
British Ministry should insist upon Compensation to them, For that all the
Precedents were in
favour of it. That there had been
no Example of an Affair like this terminated by a Treaty, without
reestablishing those who had adhered to the old Government in all their
Possessions.
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I begged his Pardon in this, and said that in
Ireland at least their had been a Multitude of Confiscations
without Restitution.Here We ran into some Conversation concerning
Ireland, &c. Mr. Rayneval, who was present
talked about the national
honour and the obligation
they were under to support their Adherents. -- Here I thought I might indulge a
little more Latitude of Expression, than I had done with
Oswald and
Stratchey, and I answered, if the Nation thought
itself bound in
honour to compensate those People it
might easily do it, for it cost the Nation more Money to carry on this War, one
Month, than it would cost it to compensate them all. But I could not comprehend
this Doctrine of national
honour. Those People by
their Misrepresentations, had deceived the Nation, who had followed the
Impulsion of their devouring Ambition,
untill it had
brought an indelible Stain on the British Name, and almost irretrievable Ruin
on the Nation, and now that very Nation was thought to be bound in
honour to compensate its
Dishonourers and
Destroyers.Rayneval said it was very true.
The
Comte invited me to dine. I accepted.
When I came I found the
M. de la Fayette in
Conference with him. When they came out the
M. took me aside and told me he had been talking with
the
C. upon the Affair of Money. He had represented to
him,Mr. Morris's Arguments and the Things I had said to him,
as from himself &c.
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That he feared the Arts of the English,
that our Army would
disbande, and our Governments
relax &c. That the
C. feared many
difficulties. That
France had expended two hundred and fifty Millions in this War
&c. That he talked of allowing six millions and my going
to Holland with the Scheme I had projected, and having the Kings
Warranty &c. to get the rest. That he had already spoken to some
of Mr. De Fleury's Friends and intended to speak to him
&c.
We went up to Dinner. I went up with the C. alone.
He shewed me into the Room where were the Ladies and
the Company. I singled out the Comtesse and went up to her, to make
her my Compliment. The Comtess and all the Ladies rose up, I
made my Respects to them all and turned round and bowed to the reste of the Company.
The
Comte who came in after me, made his Bows to
the Ladies and to the
Comtesse last. When he came to her, he
turned round and called out
Monsieur Adams venez ici.
Voila la Comtesse de Vergennes. A Nobleman in Company
said
Mr. Adams has already made his Court
to Madame la Comtess. I went up again however and spoke
again to the
Comtess and she
to me. -- When Dinner was served, the
Comte led
Madame de Montmorin, and left me to conduct
the
Comtesse who gave me her
hand with extraordinary Condescention, and I conducted her to Table. She made
me sit next her on her right
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hand and was remarkably attentive to
me the whole Time. The
Comte who sat opposite
was constantly calling out to me, to know what I would eat and to offer me
petits Gateaux, Claret and Madeira &c. &c. -- In short I was never
treated with half the Respect at
Versailles in my Life.
In the Antichamber before Dinner some French Gentlemen came to me, and said
they had seen me two Years ago. Said that I had shewn
in
Holland that the Americans understand Negotiation, as well as
War.
The Compliments that have been made me since my Arrival in
France upon my Success in
Holland, would be considered as a Curiosity, if committed to
Writing. Je vous felicite sur votre Success, is common to all. One adds,
Monsieur, Ma Foi, vous avez reussi, bien merveilleusement. Vous avez fait
reconnoitre votre Independance. Vous avez fait
un Trait, et vous avez procur de l'Argent. Voila un
Succs parfait. -- Another says, vous avez fait des Merveilles en
Hollande. Vous avez culbute le Stathouder, et la Partie angloise. Vous avez
donn bien de Mouvement. Vous avez remu tout le Monde.Another
said Monsieur vous etes le Washington de la Negotiation.This is the finishing
Stroke. It is impossible to exceed this.
Compliments are the Study of this People and there is no other so ingenious
at them.
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1782
NOVEMBER 11 MONDAY.
Mr. Whitefoord the Secretary of Mr. Oswald came a second Time, not having found
me at home Yesterday, when he left a Card, with a Copy of Mr. Oswalds Commission attested by himself
(Mr. Oswald). He delivered the Copy and
said Mr. Oswald was
ready [to] compare it to the original with me. I said Mr. Oswalds Attestation was sufficient as he had
already shewn me his original. He sat down and We fell
into Conversation, about the Weather and the Vapours and Exhalations from Tartary which had been brought
here last Spring by the Winds and given Us all the Influenza. Thence to french
Fashions and the Punctuality with which they insist upon Peoples wearing
thin Cloaths in Spring and fall,tho the Weather is ever so cold, &c. I said it was often
carried to ridiculous Lengths, but that it was at Bottom an admirable Policy,
as it rendered all
Europe tributary to the
City of Paris, for its Manufactures.
We fell soon into
Politicks. I told him, that
there was something in the Minds of the English and French, which impelled them
irresistably to War every Ten or fifteen Years. He said the ensuing Peace would
he believed be a long one. I said it would provided it was well made, and
nothing left in it to give future Discontents. But if
any
Thing was done which the Americans
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Americans should think
hard and unjust, both the English and French would be continually blowing it up
and inflaming the American Minds with it, in order to make them join one Side
or the other in a future War. He might well think, that the French would be
very glad to have the Americans join them in future War. Suppose for Example
they should think the Tories Men of monarchical Principles, or Men of more
Ambition than Principle, or Men corrupted and of no Principle, and should
therefore think them more easily seduced to their Purposes than virtuous
Republicans, is it not easy to see the Policy of a French Minister in wishing
them Amnesty and Compensation? Suppose, a french Minister foresees that the
Presence of the Tories in
America will keep up perpetually two Parties, a French Party and
an English Party, and that this will
compell the
patriotic and
independant Party to join the
French Party is it not natural for him to wish them restored? Is it not easy to
see, that a French Minister cannot wish to have the English and Americans
perfectly agreed upon all Points before they themselves, the Spaniards and
Dutch, are agreed too. Can they be sorry then to see us split upon such a Point
as the Tories? What can be their Motives to become the Advocates of the Tories?
The french Minister
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at
Philadelphia has made some Representations to Congress in
favour of a Compensation to the Royalists, and the
C. de Vergennes no longer than Yesterday, said much to Me in
their
favour. The
Comte
probably knows, that We are instructed against it, that Congress are instructed
against it, or rather have not constitutional Authority to do it. That We can
only write about it to Congress, and they to the States, who may and probably
will deliberate upon it 18 Months, before they all decide and then every one of
them will determine against it. -- In this Way, there is an insuperable
Obstacle to any Agreement between the English and Americans, even upon Terms to
be inserted in the general Peace, before all are ready. -- It was the constant
Practice of The French to have some of their Subjects in
London during the Conferences for Peace, in order to propagate
such Sentiments there as they wished to prevail. I doubted not such were there
now. Mr. Rayneval had been there. Mr. Gerard
I had heard is there now and probably others. They can easily
perswade the Tories to set up their Demands, and tell
them and the Ministers that the Kings Dignity and Nations
honour are compromised in it.
For my own Part I thought
America had been long enough involved in the Wars of
Europe. She had been a Football between contending Nations from
the Beginning, and it was easy to foresee that
France and
England both would
endeavour to
involve Us in their
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future Wars. I thought
[it]
our Interest and Duty to avoid
[them] as much as possible
and to be
compleatly independent and have nothing
to do but in Commerce with either of them. That my Thoughts had been from the
Beginning constantly employed to arrange all our European Connections to this
End, and that they would be continued to be so employed and I thought it so
important to Us, that if my poor
labours, my little
Estate or (smiling) sizy blood could effect it, it should be done. But I had
many fears.
I said the King of France might think it consistent
with his Station to favour People who had contended
for a Crown,tho it was the Crown of his
Ennemy. Whitefoord said, they seem to
be, through the whole of this, fighting for Reputation. I said they had
acquired it and more. They had raised themselves high from a low Estate by it,
and they were our good Friends and Allies, and had conducted generously and
nobly and We should be just and gratefull, but they
might have political Wishes, which We were not bound by Treaty nor in justice
or Gratitude to favour, and these We ought to be
cautious off. He agreed that they had raised themselves very suddenly and
surprisingly by it.
We had more Conversation on the State of Manners in
France,
England,Scotland and in other Parts of
Europe, but I have not Time to record this.
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1782
NOVEMBER 12 TUESDAY.
Dined with the Abby Chalut and
Arnoux . The Farmer General, and his Daughter,Dr.
Franklin and his Grand Son, Mr. Grand and his Lady
and Neice, Mr. Ridley and I with one young French Gentleman
made the Company. The Farmers Daughter is about 12 Years old and is I suppose
an Enfant trouvee. He made her sing at Table, and she bids fair to be an
accomplished Opera Girl, though she has not a delicate Ear . . . .
The Compliment of "Monsieur vous etes le Washington de la Negotiation" was
repeated to me, by more than one Person. I answered Monsieur vous me faites le
plus grand honour et la Compliment le plus sublime
possible. -- Eh Monsieur, en Verite vous l'avez bien merit. -- A few of
these Compliments would kill Franklin if they should
come to his Ears.
This Evening I went to the
Hotel des treize Etats Unis to see the Baron de
Linden, to the
Hotel de York to see the Messrs. Vaughans, and
to the
Hotel D'orleans to see Mr. Jay, but
found neither. Returned through the Rue St. Honore to see the decorated
Shops, which are pretty enough. This is the gayest Street in
Paris, in point of ornamented Shops, but
Paris does not excell in this
respect.
The old Farmer General was very lively at dinner. Told Stories and seemed
ready to join the little Girl in Songs like a Boy. -- Pleasures dont wear Men
out in
Paris as in other Places.
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The Abby Arnoux asked me at Table, Monsieur ou est
votre Fils Cadet qui chant, come Orphe. -- Il est du retour en
Amerique. -- To Mademoiselle Labhard, he said Connoissez vous que Monsieur
Adams a une Demoiselle tres aimable en Amerique?
NOVEMBER
13 WEDNESDAY.
This is the Anniversary of my quitting home. Three Years are
compleated. Oh when shall I return?
--Ridley dined with me. Captain Barney called
in the Evening and took my dispatches. One set he is to deliver to
Capt. Hill, another to
Capt.
and the 3d he takes himself.
NOVEMBER
17 SUNDAY.
Have spent several Days in copying Mr. Jays
dispatches.
On ThursdayFryday the 15,
Mr. Oswald came to Visit me, and entered
with some Freedom into Conversation. I said many Things to him to convince him
that it was the Policy of my Lord Shelburne and the
Interest of the Nation to agree with Us upon the advantageous Terms which
Mr. Stratchey carried away on the
5th.Shewed him the Advantages of the Boundary, the
vast Extent of Land, and the equitable Provision for the Payment of Debts and
even the great Benefits stipulated for the Tories.
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He said he had been reading Mr. Paines Answer to the
Abby Raynal, and had found there an excellent Argument
in favour of the Tories. Mr. Paine
says that before the Battle of
Lexington We were so blindly prejudiced in favour of the English and so closely attached to them, that
We went to war at any time and for any Object, when they bid Us. Now this being
habitual to the Americans, it was excuseable in the Tories to behave upon this
Occasion as all of Us had ever done upon all the others. He said if he were a
Member of Congress he would shew a Magnanimity upon
this Occasion, and would say to the Refugees, take your Property. We scorn to
make any Use of it, in building up our System.
I replied, that We had no Power and Congress had no Power, and therefore We
must consider how it would be reasoned upon in the several Legislatures of
theSeveral separate States, if, after being sent by Us to Congress
and by them to the several States in the Course of twelve or fifteen Months, it
should be there, debated. You must carry on the War, Six or Nine months
certainly, for this Compensation, and consequently spend in the Prosecution of
it, Six or Nine times the Sum necessary to make the Compensation for I presume,
this War costs every Month to
Great Britain, a larger Sum than would be necessary to pay for
the forfeited Estates.
How says I will an independant Man in one of
our Assemblies consider this. We will take a Man, who is no Partisan of
England or
France, one who wishes to do justice to both and to all Nations,
but is the Partisan only of his own.
[This entry continues in John
Adams diary 36.]