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Docno: ADMS-06-07-02-0267-0002

Author: Vergennes, Charles Gravier, Comte de
Recipient: Adams, John
Date: 1779-02-13

The Comte de Vergennes to John Adams: A Translation

[salute] Sir

I have received the letter which you did me the honor of writing to me the 11th. instant and agreable to your desire I have not submitted its contents to the inspection of a Translator. I am no less hurt than yourself Sir at the Appeal which Mr. Silas Deane has made to the people of America. It does not belong to me to qualify this step. Your re• { 411 } spective sovereigns must judge of the measure and decide the differences which have arisen between their Commissioners. The manner in which you have been treated here conjointly and separately, must have convinced you that if we even had been informed of your disputes we should have paid no regard to them, and the personal esteem which we have endeavoured to show each of the Commissioners is a proof that we have not adopted the prejudices with which they have endeavoured to inspire America the foundation of which is unknown to us; altho' this disagreable discusion is strange to us, and it becomes us by all means to refrain from taking part therein, I shall nevertheless be delighted to see you sir, whatever day you fix will be agreable to me, I only request you to acquaint me beforehand with the time you shall choose. I have the honor to be with true regard Sir Yr. mo. he. & mo. ob Servt.
[signed] (signed) De Vergennes
RC (Adams Papers); docketed: “M. Le Comte De Vergennes ans. Feb. 16. 1779.” LbC (Adams Papers); notation at the head of the letter: “about Six o Clock, in the Evening of the 15 of February being Monday I received, in my Chamber, the following Letter, in these Words, viz”; and at the foot: “This Letter was inclosed in a Cover, inscribed with these Words. A Monsieur, Monsieur, Adams l'un des Deputes des Congres de l'Amerique Septentrionale. a Passy. De Vergennes.” Copy in JA 's hand with contemporary translation by John Pintard (PCC, No. 83, II, f. 310–312). The copy was sent to Arthur Lee with JA 's letter of 13 June (below). Lee then obtained the translation and enclosed it and JA 's copy in his letter to the president of the congress of 17 Oct. 1780, which was read on 19 Oct. (PCC, No. 83, II, f. 302–303; JCC , 18:951). At the bottom of the copy, JA entered the same notation that appears at the foot of the LbC .

Docno: ADMS-06-07-02-0268

Author: Adams, John
Recipient: Adams, Samuel
Date: 1779-02-14

To Samuel Adams

[salute] My dear Sir

The Marquiss de la Fayette did me, the Honour of a Visit, Yesterday, and delivered me, your Favour of the 25. of October. I am not sorry, as Things have been ordered, that mine of May 241 did not reach you till 24 Octr. because as the new Arrangement was previously made, it cannot be said that I had any Hand in accomplishing it. Yet I am glad the Letter has arrived because it will shew that the new system is quite agreable to me, i.e. the appointment of a single Minister here. Believe me Sir, it was become very necessary. How Congress will dispose of me, I dont know. If it is intended that I shall return, this will be very agreable to me: and I think this the most probable opinion, because Congress resolved soon after the 5 of december, to begin and go through, foreign affairs.2 The Alliance sailed the 14 Jan. and there is { 412 } no Resolution arrived here respecting me. I think therefore it is my duty to return, and that is my present determination, but whether I shall go to Amsterdam and thence to St. Eustatia, or to Spain and thence, home, or in a French Man of War to Martinico or any other Way I know not. I have not decided.
Some Hint that I am to go to Holland—others to Spain—the last implies the Removal of Mr. Lee, which would give me much Paine. I think him an able and faithfull Man. Yet what the Determination, may be upon the Complaint, if it is decided before he answers I know not.3 This is a subject that I cannot write nor talk about. I would not have such another Sensation to be made a Prince. I confess I expected the most dismal Consequences, from it, because I thought it would render Business and Confidence between Us three, wholly impracticable. That it would destroy all Confidence between this Court and Us—that it would sta[r]tle Spain4—and allienate many in Holland. That it would encourage Ministry in England and disconcert opposition so much that they would even be able to make another vigorous Campaign, besides all the Evils it would produce among you.
But the arrival of Dr. F's Commission has relieved me from many of these Fears. This Court has Confidence in him alone: but I think they were cautious even of him when he had two Colleagues, to whom he was obliged to communicate every Thing, one of whom was upon as ill terms with him as with Mr. Deane. I have had a Kind of a Task here as my dear Brother Lovel expresses himself.5 Determined to be the Partisan of neither; yet the Friend of both as far as the service would Admit, I am fully perswaded that leaving the Dr. here alone, in a political Capacity only, is right and that Mr. Lee is an honest and faithfull Man.
You say that France should be our Pole Star in Case War should take Place. I was I confess, surprized at this Expression. Was not War sufficiently declared in the King of Englands Speech, and in the answers of both Houses, and in the Recall of Ambassadors, and in actual Hostilities in most Parts of the World?
I think there never will be any other Declaration of War—Yet there is in fact as compleat a War as ever existed, and it will continue, for you may depend upon it, the King of France is immoveably fixed in our support, and so are his Ministers. Every suspicion of a wavering Disposition in this Court, concerning the support of our Independance is groundless—is ridiculous—is impossible. You may remember that several Years ago, several Gentlemen were obliged to reason in order to shew that American Independance was the Interest of France.6 Since { 413 } my Arrival here, I never yet found one Man, nor heard of more than one who doubted it. If the Voice of Popularity is any Thing, I assure you that this Voice was never so unanimous in America, in favour of our Independance as it is here. It is so much so that if the Court were to depart from its present system in this Respect, it is my clear opinion it would make this Nation very unhappy, and the Court too. But I repeat that the Court is as fixed as the Nation, and this Union in sentiment arises out of such Principles in Nature, as without a Miracle, cannot alter. Common sense in America supported Independance, Common sense in France supports the Alliance and will support it to the last—nay the Common sense of Europe supports the Common sense of France. By the Way my Love to Mr. P. and tell him, I cant agree with him perfectly in his Ideas about natural Ennemies.7 It is because England is the natural Ennemy of France, that America in her present situation is her natural Friend—at least this is one Cause altho there are many others, some of them more glorious for human Nature.
France Scarcely ever made a War before that was popular in Europe. Now there is not a state that I can hear of, but applauds her, and wishes her success. And in Point of Finance—and naval strength—in skill and Bravery of Officers, she seems to be superiour to England. You may be suprized at my saying naval strength. Yet if you consider, the wretched state of the British Navy, as to Masts, Yards, Rigging, and Men you will not wonder altho their Number of Ships may be superiour.
I therefore think that all is safe. We may have further Trouble and Tryals of our Patience. But Trouble is to you and me familiar, and I begin to think it necessary for my Health, for without it I should soon grow so fat as to go off in an Apoplexy.
There is one Thing, in one of my Letters to you exaggerated—the Expences of the Commissioners. I had been here but a short time and wrote according to the best guess I could make, from what I had heard. But I now think I put it too high.8 With much Affection yours
[signed] John Adams
There is not the least appearance of the Embarkation of Troops, for America nor any Intelligence of Transports taken up. The national Discontent is very great, and Tumults, have arisen in Edinborough and in London.9 According to present Appearances, they will have Occasion for so many of their Troops to keep their Populace in fear, as to { 414 } be able to spare few for America. Their Proclamations are all alike from Burgoines to those of the Commissioners.10 The Weaker they are the more they puff.
RC (NN: George Bancroft Collection). LbC (Adams Papers).
1. JA is repeating Samuel Adams' inadvertence in his letter of 25 Oct. The letter referred to is that of 21 May 1778 (vol. 6:144–145, calendar entry; JA, Diary and Autobiography , DJA04Q224:106–108).
2. As it appears in the recipient's copy this sentence is somewhat cryptic because JA made a significant change when he copied it from his Letterbook. In the Letterbook the passage reads, “if it is intended that I shall return, this will be very agreable to me. And I think that this is the most probable opinion, because Mr. Deane's Address, was the 5 december, Congress soon after resolved to enter on foreign affairs and go through them.” Thus JA is referring to the resolution of 7 Dec. by which the congress ordered Silas Deane to report “as soon as may be, his agency of their affairs in Europe” ( JCC , 12:1200–1201).
3. The final ten words of this sentence do not appear in the Letterbook. There this sentence reads, “yet what the Determination will be upon the Complaint of Mr. Deane, I cannot say.”
4. In the Letterbook this passage reads, “that it would Startle Spain <from the Thoughts of engaging>.”
5. A reference to James Lovell's letter to JA of 24 Oct. 1778 (above).
6. In the Letterbook this sentence reads, “you may remember that several Years ago, I was obliged or thought myself so more than once to Use my feable Endeavours to shew that American Independance, was the Interest of France.” The words “or thought myself so” were interlined.
7. In the Letterbook the “P.” is expanded to “Paine.” In their “Manifesto” of 3 Oct. 1778 (Evans, No. 15832), the members of the Carlisle Commission called France the natural enemy of both Great Britain and America. In the sixth number of “The American Crisis,” dated 20 Oct., Thomas Paine replied that no such principle existed in nature, and that nations became “friends or enemies as the change of temper, or the cast of interest inclines” (Life and Works of Thomas Paine, ed. William M. Van der Weyde, 10 vols., New Rochelle, N.Y., 1925, 3:57–59). That number of “The American Crisis” had been translated and printed in Affaires de l'Angleterre et de l'Amerique, “Lettres,” vol. 13, cahier 62, p. ii–xxi.
8. Presumably a reference to his letter of 21 May 1778 (see note 1, above).
9. For these disturbances, see JA to Richard Henry Lee, 13 Feb., and note 7 (above).
10. That is, the proclamations by General Burgoyne on 22 June 1777 and the Carlisle Commission on 3 Oct. 1778. Burgoyne's, in particular, was the object of ridicule and evoked several parodies. Among other things, he had declared in very bombastic rhetoric that “I have but to give stretch to the Indian forces under my direction (and they amount to thousands) to overtake the hardened enemies of Great Britain and America” (F. J. Huddleston, Gentleman Johnny Burgoyne, Indianapolis, 1927, p. 144–152).