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4. On 6 Nov., during the debate in the House of Commons over the “Address of Thanks” for George III's speech opening the session of Parliament, Lord George Germain, according to one account, stated that “the people in power in America were not the allies, but the subjects and dependants of France: in order, therefore, to open a way for a treaty with America, the war must be carried on with vigour, and France be humbled through the sides of America.” Germain also declared: “allow America her independency, and Congress would treat tomorrow,” but said he “would not be the man to treat with America on this condition” (Parliamentary Hist., 21:839–841; for a somewhat different account of Germain's speech, see the London Courant of 8 Nov.). On the 7th, Charles James Fox asked Germain whether, in stating that “if this country would grant independence to America, we might treat with her tomorrow,” he meant that “America, in case we granted her independence, would treat with us separately and distinctly from France?” Germain replied that he meant only “that America was ready to treat with us, in case we allowed her independence, though he did not think she could ever make peace with us without the concurrence of France” (London Courant, 8 Nov., but see also William Lee's letter of 15 Nov., note 1, below, for a statement by Winchcombe Henry Hartley not reported in the Courant).
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