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Docno: ADMS-06-11-02-0201

Author: Adams, John
Recipient: Dana, Francis
Date: 1781-04-18

To Francis Dana

[salute] Dear Sir

I am at no Loss, what Advice to give you, in answer to the Questions in your letter of this day, because they relate to a Subject, on which I have long reflected, and have formed an opinion, as fully as my Understanding is capable of.
I think then that it is necessary for you to prepare for a Journey to Petersbourg without Loss of Time, that you travel in the Character of a Gentleman, without any distinction of public or private, as far as the Publication of your Appointment already made in France will admit.
I Should think it altogether improper to communicate your Design to the Prince de Gallitzin of travelling to Petersbourg as a private Gentleman, Secreting from him at the Same time your publick Character. It would expose you to Something very disagreable. The Prince would ask you, why you asked his Advice? when it is well known that private Gentlemen travel, without Molestation in every Country in Europe. Besides the Ambassador, I have reasons to believe, would not, give you any Advice, without Instructions from his Court, and this would require so much Time, that the most favourable Opportunity, which now presents itself would be lost. And after applying to { 268 } the Prince, and being advised against the Journey or to postpone it for Instructions from Petersbourg, it would be less respectfull to go, than to go now, when the Circumstances of the Times are very favourable.
The Same Reasoning applies equally against Writing to Petersbourg beforehand. The best opportunity would be lost, and the Court would never encourage you to come untill they had determined to receive you, and you would have no Opportunity to assist the deliberations upon the subject, by throwing in any Light, by answering Objections or explaining the Views of Congress.
After your Arrival at Petersbourg, I should advise you, unless upon the Spot you discover Reasons against it, unknown to Us, at present, to communicate your Character and Mission to Count Panin, or the Minister of foreign Affairs in Confidence,1 asking his Advice,2 but at the Same time presenting him a Memorial ready prepared for the Empress. If he informs you, that it is best for you to reside there as a private Gentleman, or to travel for a Time into Sweeden or Denmark, or to return here to Holland, where I shall be happy to have your Company and Advice, take his Advice.3 The United States of America have nothing dishonourable to propose to any Court or Country. If the Wishes of Congress which are for the good of all Nations, as they apprehend, are not deemed by such Courts or Nations consistent with their Views or Interests, of which they are the Supreme Judges, they will candidly Say so, and there is no harm done. On the Contrary Congress will be applauded for their Candour and good Intentions.
You will make your Communication to the French Ambassador of Course, according to your Instruction.4
This Method was taken by this Republick, in her Struggle with Spain, nay it was taken by the Republican Parliament in England and by Oliver Cromwell. It was taken by Switzerland and by Portugal in similar Cases with great success. Why it should be improper now I know not.
I conceive it to be the Intention of Congress that you should communicate their Resolutions relative to the Rights of neutral Vessels, and I am the more entirely of this Opinion, because I have already communicated those Resolutions to their High Mightinesses the states General and to their Excellencies, the Ministers of Russia, Denmark and Sweeden, at the Hague,5 in Pursuance of the Letters I had received from the President,6 and I should now think it im• { 269 } proper in me, to Sign a Treaty according to those Resolutions if invited thereto, because it would be interfering with your department.
America, my dear Sir has been too long Silent in Europe. Her Cause is that of all Nations and all Men: and it needs nothing but to be explained to be approved. At least these are my Sentiments.
I have Reasons in my Mind, which were unknown to their Excellencies the Comte De Vergennes, and Mr. Franklin when You consulted them: Reasons which it is improper for me to explain at present. But the Reasons I have given appear to me conclusive. No Measure of Congress was ever taken in a more proper Time, or with more Wisdom, in my Opinion, than the Appointment of a Minister at the Hague and at Petersbourg. The Effects of it may not appear in Sudden and brillant Success: but the Time was exactly chosen and the happy fruits of it will appear in their Course.
Although I shall be personally a sufferer by your Appointment, yet I sincerely rejoice in it for the publick Good.
When our Ennemies have formed Alliances, with so many Princes in Germany and so many Savage nations against Us—When they are borrowing so much of the Wealth of Germany, Italy, Holland Switzerland, to be employed against Us, no wise Court or reasonable Man can blame Us, for proposing to form Relations with Countries whose Interest it is to befriend Us.
An Excess of Modesty and Reserve, is an Excess still. It was no dishonour to Us to propose a Treaty to France, nor for our Ministers to reside there more than a Year without being acknowledged. On the Contrary all wise Men applauded the Measure, and I am confident the World in general will now approve of an Application to the maritime Powers, although We should remain without a public Reception as long as our Ministers did in France and Spain; nay although We should be rejected.
In this Case Congress and their Constituents, will all be Satisfied. They will have neglected no Duty in their Power, and the World will then see the Power and Resources of three or four Millions of virtuous Men, inhabiting a fine Country, when contending for every Thing, which renders human Life worth Supporting. The United States will then fix a Medium, establish Taxes for the Payment of Interest, acquire the Confidence of their own Capitalists, and borrow Money at home, and when this is done they will find Capitalists abroad willing enough to adventure in their Funds.
With ardent Wishes for your Health, and Success, I have the { 270 } Honour to be Dear sir, your Excellencys most obedient & most humble servant.
[signed] John Adams
RC (MHi: Dana Family Papers); endorsed: “J: Adams to F: Dana April 18th. 1781 Mission.”
1. Count Nikita Ivanovich Panin was Catherine II's first minister of the college of foreign affairs. Dana would deal with either him or his deputy, Ivan A. Osterman (De Madariaga, Armed Neutrality of 1780, p. 17–18).
2. The remainder of this sentence was interlined.
3. JA directed his response in the remainder of this paragraph and in much of the rest of the letter, less at Francis Dana's request for advice than to a statement Benjamin Franklin made in his letter of 7 April to Dana (Franklin, Papers, 34:517–519). There Franklin wrote that “I have long imagined that we let ourselves down in offering our Alliance before it is desired; and that it would have been better if we had never issued Commissions for Ministers ... till we had first privately learnt whether they would be received, since a Refusal from one is an actual Slight, that lessens our Reputation, and makes others less willing to form a Connection with us.”
4. Dana's instructions ordered him to confer with the French minister at St. Petersburg, Charles Olivier de Saint Georges, Marquis de Vérac (JCC, 18:1170; Repertorium der diplomatischen Vertreter aller Länder, 3:133).
5. See the memorial to the States General and JA's letter to Prince Gallitzin, both of 8 March, above.
6. The remainder of this sentence was interlined.

Docno: ADMS-06-11-02-0202-0001

Author: Dumas, Charles William Frederic
Recipient: Adams, John
Date: 1781-04-18

From C. W. F. Dumas

[salute] Monsieur

Je fus hier au Soir chez un ami de poids, qui, Sur ce que je lui témoignai ma surprise de ce que votre Mémoire1 avoit été remis au Greffe, c'est-à-dire, comme jeté ou rejeté, comme on me l'avoit fait entendre me dit, que l'expression étoit outrée, et que ce qui étoit remis là étoit considéré comme déposé jusqu'à nouvel ordre.
On attend tous les jours des Dépêches de Petersbourg; et l'on est assuré d'avance qu'elles seront Satisfaisantes. J'espere d'en savoir davantage vendredi au soir.
On me fit demander hier au soir votre adresse; ainsi je ne doute pas que vous n'ayiez reçu aujourdhui une Lettre de certaine part, et quelle ne soit cordiale et polie.2 Je n'ai pas encore fait visite à cette part-là; je vous en dirai la raison quand nous nous verons; et vous l'approuverez. Je persiste dans ce que je vous en ai écrit dernierement.3
Je viens d'apprendre, que Mrs. Searle et Dana sont avec vous. Si vous avez la bonté de me donner demain de vos nouvelles et des leurs, je me ferai un devoir de vous visiter et de les complimenter Samedi matin. Mais je voudrois être Sûr auparavant que nous ne nous manquerons, ni ne croiserons: or l'un ou l'autre pourroit arriver, Si { 271 } vous veniez ici, ou Si vous alliez à Amsterdam, dans le temps que j'irois à Leide.
Je crois que les Etats d'Hollde. se sépareront Vendredi pour un peu de temps.
J'espere que Mr. votre fils est rétabli,4 et qu'il pourra venir voir notre belle foire avec Mr. son frere et Mr. Thaxter. Elle mérite bien aussi votre présence, et celle de Mrs. Searle et Dana, aux quels je vous demande la permission de présenter ici mes respects. Je Suis toujours avec tout celui qui vous est voué, Monsieur Votre très-humble & très-obéissant serviteur
[signed] Dumas
Cite web page as: Founding Families: Digital Editions of the Papers of the Winthrops and the Adamses, ed.C. James Taylor. Boston: Massachusetts Historical Society, 2014.
http://www.masshist.org/apde2/