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Docno: ADMS-06-12-02-0176

Author: Adams, John
Recipient: Dumas, Charles William Frederic
Date: 1782-03-02

To C. W. F. Dumas

[salute] Sir

I have recd yours of 25 Ult and that of 26, and this moment that of 1. March.
Projet
Suppose you dismiss your Chambers and invite Madame and Mademoiselle Dumas to remove with you, into my House. In the first Place, is there Room enough in the House for your Family and mine? 2dly how many servants must there be, in order to keep house together, in such a manner? If Madame Dumas would be so good as to take upon herself the Trouble of the oversight of such a Family, she might nevertheless find time to make an Excursion to the Farm in Guelderland, with mademoiselle in summer.
As to the Furniture I would have you buy the Fourneau, but the other Things, I believe not! I would not have any Thing laid out in Repairs of the House, nor shall I have occasion for much additional Furniture. I must make it do, with what I have.
There is good News from Guelderland. American Independence has been agitated there, and very favourably considered rather put off, in complaisance to the maritime Provinces.1
This People Six months hence will be astonished that they did not acknowledge American Independence 6 Months ago. English Politicks have ruined their own Empire, and come much too near ruining Holland too. Let Holland acknowledge American Independence and then see, how soon the whole armed Neutrality will acknowledge it too, by inviting Congress or its Ministers to Vienna to make Peace. I wish you Joy of the Capture of Minorca, and that it may be soon followed by that of Gibraltar.

[salute] Adieu

1. The States of Gelderland did not recognize American independence until 17 April. On 23 Feb., however, an extraordinary meeting of the States of the county of Zutphen was held at Nijmegen. There Robert Jasper van der Capellen van de Marsch submitted a { 285 } written statement demanding that it direct the provincial states to approve recognition of the United States and the conclusion of a Dutch-American treaty. The proposal was defeated, not because it was strongly opposed, but because the chief commercial provinces had not yet voted.

Docno: ADMS-06-12-02-0177

Author: Dana, Francis
Recipient: Adams, John
Date: 1782-03-04

From Francis Dana

[salute] Dear Sir

I had the pleasure of your favour of the 5th. inst: that is to say of Feby, on the 17/28th of the same month. You have, in my opinion, pointed out the only certain way to solid glory; but some folks look for it to the direct opposite point of the Compass, by which means they will miss of it, and the promotion of their best Interests, till they face to the right about. When our inclinations have been long habituated to a certain course ’tis with great difficulty we can change it; and perhaps every observant spectator sees the propriety of this alteration before we do ourselves. However this is our consolation that we shall not suffer any direct Injury, or great inconvenience, though they shou’d continue awhile longer in their old course. Things, so far as they respect us, will probably remain in Europe, in nearly their present state for another year: Though, in the mean time, our Cause will be making its way every where, in spight of open or secret Enemies. If a certain connection shou’d depend upon the passing away of a certain affair which you mention, I believe, the obstacle will soon be removed.2 For ||the Empress and the ministry|||| themselves have no expectation of its succeeding; so that the change, if any there, cou’d not, one wou’d think, but be for the better. I wish you cou’d give me stronger hopes—||Sweden|| and ||Denmark|| are very well contented, for obvious reasons, that there shou’d be no change there, whatever they may pretend to the contrary.
I have not seen the Letters of Mr: D. to which you allude. I was told that there was one in an Engh Paper, in Town, but have not been able to procure it or even to obtain an account of its contents, only that my name or rather I was mentioned in it, as having come to Russia in a public character.3 I hope that Gentleman has been careful to say no good of me; as much evil as he pleases. I shou’d be glad to obtain a sight of the letters however, for it is my maxim Fas est ab hoste doceri.4It seems you have seen another letter written to me, and have been for a while much diverted with it. That same person is apt at times to be a little waggish. It is an hereditary fail• { 286 } ing you know, and therefore the more easily to be pardoned.5 But what think you of those self created Judges? It wou’d seem they have been, or at least wou’d be thought to have been let into the Cabinet.6 But what a judgment! And yet I can’t say they had not some grounds for their Severity. I wish to see the copies of the letters upon which, it seems their judgment must have been grounded, and which it is intimated by one of the Court, will be transmitted to me. You do not even speak of them. Who are they from? Tell me that, and if it is improper to send them on, I shall be able to conjecture the nature of their contents. How soon my Enemies may effect their purpose gives me very little concern. They dare not accuse me of betraying the Interests of my Country. I have no terror of their accusations.

[salute] Adieu my dear Sir, I am your’s affectionately

[signed] FRA DANA
P.S. I thank you for the copy of Mr: Guild’s Letter.7 I yesterday received a letter from our Secretary for foreign Affairs. I presume it is a circular one.8
RC (Adams Papers); addressed: “His Excelly Mr: Adams”; endorsed by John Thaxter: “Mr. Dana 4th. March 1782.” LbC (MHi:Dana Family Papers, Francis Dana Letterbook, St. Petersburg, 1782–178).
1. In the Letterbook this letter is dated 3 March. JQA also wrote to JA on this date (Adams Family Correspondence, 4:286–287).
2. Presumably the Russian mediation of the Anglo-Dutch war.
3. Dana refers to Silas Deane’s letter, dated 13 June 1781 at Paris, to Jeremiah Wadsworth. It first appeared in the New York Royal Gazette, 31 Oct. 1781, and then in various London newspapers, including the London Chronicle, 27–29 Dec. 1781. Dana’s appointment, Deane wrote, led him to seriously reflect “on the idea which Congress entertain of their own importance in the commercial and political world.” Deane then expounded at length on the absence of any support for American independence by any European power other than France. “A little time will shew what success Mr. Dana meets with at Russia; but if he meets with any at all, I am greatly mistaken,” for Deane knew of “no power in Europe, Portugal only excepted, that is naturally and necessarily more in the English interest than Russia.” Dana had no doubt that the letter was genuine “because the very extraordinary sentiments it holds up, are perfectly agreable to those he has industriously laboured to inculcate upon every ones mind over whom he thought he cou’d have any influence” (Dana to John Thaxter, 16 March, MHi:Dana Family Papers, Francis Dana Letterbook, St. Petersburg, 1782–1784).
4. It is allowable to learn even from the enemy.
5. Dana is referring to Elizabeth Ellery Dana’s letter of 14 Dec. 1781 (not found, but see JA to Dana, 5 Feb., note 1, above). Dana’s reference to the “hereditary failing” may be to his father-in-law, William Ellery of Rhode Island, who was noted for his wit (Sibley’s Harvard Graduates, 12:134–152).
6. In the Letterbook, this and the previous sentence were written in the left margin and marked for insertion at this point.
7. Of 18 Jan., above.
8. Probably Robert R. Livingston to Dana, 22 Oct. 1781 (Wharton, ed., Dipl. Corr. Amer. Rev., 4:802–805). Dana may have thought it circular because it announced Livingston’s appointment and news of the victory at Yorktown.
Cite web page as: Founding Families: Digital Editions of the Papers of the Winthrops and the Adamses, ed.C. James Taylor. Boston: Massachusetts Historical Society, 2014.
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