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Docno: ADMS-06-13-02-0163

Author: Laurens, Henry
Recipient: Adams, John
Date: 1782-08-25

From Henry Laurens

The anonymos Bill, alluded to, My Dear Sir, in your favor of the 15th. which I was honored with yesterday, I had dismissed at Sight, by a most contemptuos protest, notwithstanding it had been usher'd with great solemnity, boasting a derivation from as good a friend to America as any in Europe and as honest a Man. My friend who said all this, or in terms equal, I know merits that Character in both parts, but I am not so well warranted to answer for all his corre• { 394 } spondents. I perceived in the first Instant he had been bubbled, and with the minds Eye, as instantly fix'd upon the Man, who had attempted to bamboozle, perhaps to embroil us all. I trust my leading marks—for my own conviction they are as infallible as those which to the benighted Traveler point the Boreal Pole. But when proof possitive is wanting, we must adopt silence be Civil and Circumspect; were I however very near you, I should have no scruples against disclosing, at least the Initials of the suspected Nameless, with such circumstantial evidence as would unite your opinion, that, He is the Man.1
Our friend Mr. Jennings writ to me on this affair, some days ago, as from you; a direct communication would have answered all purposes as well and certainly would have been as honorable and as acceptable to me. My answer is full, it concludes, “'Tis a troublesome tho charitable Office, My Dear Sir, you have engaged in upon this occasion, but it may be finish'd by barely transmiting an exact Copy of the foregoing Lines.”2
The transmission has undoubtedly been made, my abhorrence of the infamos scrap, as well as of the projector, is marked in terms which will satisfy you, that no impressions to the prejudice of my friends had been made in my breast. I shall be no more troubled with such diabolical Acts of friendship; and further, whatever unvouch'd informations may come from the suspected quarter, shall be classed in the Column Peut. Etre. to be believed when confirmed. But as you say, Enough of this.
I wish I could as easily dispose of your second proposition; I'll do my best, premising, that I would not so freely Commit myself to every Man.
Can we consistently treat with any Man who has not full Power to treat with the Ministers of the United States of America”? Certainly I think not. But as certainly, that the American Commissioners may treat with any Man, “Authorised to treat with the four Powers at War with Great Britain.” The United States being one of the four, no exception can be had to the deficiency of specification. All the powers being generally comprehended in the power to treat. Hence 'tis to be presumed the process of a Treaty is intended to be with the Ministers of the four Powers; This on the part of Great Britain amounts to a tacit acknowledgement of the United States represented by their Commissioners. These formalities being surmounted, the Treaty of Alliance and the Instructions of Congress will guide your proceedings, which I apprehend will be confin'd within a narrow { 395 } compass, until Great Britain shall propound seperate and special Treaties, in this Case the extent of your authorities will be consulted. Truce or Peace with Great Britain by the joint consent of France and America may be established. The Independence of the United States formally or tacitly assured by a Treaty or Treaties which shall terminate the War, the contracting Parties, F. and the U S. will be at liberty to lay down their Arms.3 The United States will be an Independent Nation and must shift for itself in the general scramble of the World. The countenance and support of the Court of France in the entrance upon Treaty will be essential, the honor and the Interest too of that Court is engaged on our side and I see no cause to suspect the United States personated by Commissioners, will be exposed to slight or indignity. Possibly you may discover the “Authority,” you allude to, is to treat only with three Powers. A Treaty even upon such terms I conceive may be carried into effect, a general Peace take place, and the 8th. Article which is the Pole Star, fully complied with on the part of our Ally. But our Independence must be tacitly or formally assured and the War terminated by a Treaty or Treaties, unless we shall be disposed to fig[ht] G. B. alone. What War? the War which France and America are engaged in with Great Britain and which is made “Common Cause.”
A power, for aught we know, may be lodged in a distinct hand, for acknowledging the Independence of the United States and for treating with them. All this is consistent with the Pride of Kings, we may accomplish our views and contemn their manners. Our Commissioners are equal to the Task assigned to them, I am confident they will harmonize and perform their business honorably and effectually. In obedience to your demand, I have with great diffidence thrown out these suggestions, touching only the points France and America, should they prove unsatisfactory you can easily throw them in the Fire. “Certainly I think not.” might have been made a full answer to your Question, it would have been abrupt and as I conceiv'd disrespectful, therefore I presumed to enlarge in so far, as I judged would not be impertinent.
God forbid there should be time enough for obtaining from Congress an appointment of Mr. Jennings to Secretaryship to the Commissioners for Peace, I hope that Epoch is nearer to us. You know the unavoidable slowness of proceeding in all appointments by that Body; a Day for Nomination, variety of Candidates ineffective Votings and Postponings, Weeks debates on a Salary, and may be finally a Resolve that the appointment is unnecessary. Surely the Commis• { 396 } sioners have an implied power for the purpose—there will be very little to do. If I were one of them I should no more hesitate upon appointing a Secretary than I would upon the purchase of Stationary.
You have been fortunate in establishing so ample a fund for the use of the United States, their Congress will not be so dilatory in Resolves and Orders to the Financeir general for exhausting it, as they would be in appointing a Secretary to the Commissioners, the Ratification however will require no stimulos.
I remember Sir, to have promised you a Copy of the Extracts and Parallels,4 it is not yet in my power, altho' it is still my purpose, to comply. A hot long rapid journey from Bruxelles to Vigan near 800 Miles, involved my Amanuensis5 in much business and fatigue, sick myself all the way, and he often obliged to ride Courier to spare the Servant, whose Eye sight was endangered by excessive heat of the Sun; at Vigan I was twelve days out of fifteen in Bed or confin'd to the Chamber, from thence I traveled in very bad health to Nantes. Here I arrived in a shatter'd state and continued very Ill and drooping to the 11th. Inst. when for the first time in nine Months I buckled up my Shoes, I have Physicked bled and starved out the cause of my disorders, but am left in a feeble condition, not daring to feed, nor to fatigue. A very trifling blast would overset me again. The Young Man in the mean time is gone to Vigan to conduct his Sisters to this place, from whence or from L'Orient or England we shall embark for America, but I trust, before we go time enough will be found for making the Copy. I have said England—Upon being a little puzzled, to find a proper Vessel for the accomodation of my family, it has been suggested that I have a right to demand from the British Ministry a Passage and safe delivery in the United States, at my own expence, in return for the Exchange and safe de[livery?] of Lord Cornwallis at his own House. The reasoning of my friends appears [to me] well grounded, it would be mortifying and it would be unjust th[at] I should be again arrested on the high Seas, imprisoned or restricted, p[lun]der'd and carried far out of my Road; all this might and as times go probably would befal me, were I to embark in an American or French Arm'd-Ship, Congress have made no provision for my return, either directly or by deputation that I can learn of; I am left to struggle through by my own means—thus circumstanced I have written to friends in England to apply for a Passage for myself and family to New York and a Passport from thence to { 397 } Philadelphia.6 Should we succeed you will hear from me before I commence a journey to Calais or on my way thither.
Be so good as to present my respectful Compliments to Monsr. Dumas and to Mr. Thaxter if he is with you, and be assured I am with sincere Respect & Esteem, Dear Sir Your obedient & most humble Servt.
[signed] Henry Laurens
RC (Adams Papers); addressed: “His Excellency. John Adams Esquire Minister Plenipotentiary from the United States of America Hague”; endorsed: “Mr Laurens. Nantes 25. Aug. 1782.” Some loss of text where the seal was removed.
1. Likely an early indication of Laurens' conviction that Edmund Jenings was the author of the anonymous letter.
2. Jenings' letter was dated 1 Aug. and Laurens' reply 5 Aug. (Laurens, Papers, 16:284–286). In the quoted passage from his reply, Laurens is criticizing Jenings' effort to act as an intermediary between himself and JA. From Laurens' comments in this letter and the reply to Jenings, he clearly saw the effort as both presumptuous and unnecessary.
3. In this sentence Laurens quotes from Art. 8 of the Franco-American Treaty of Alliance (Miller, Treaties, 2:38–39). Indeed, this and the following paragraph center on Laurens' interpretation of that article in so far as it related to peace negotiations, an interpretation that was in line with JA's instructions of 1779 and the joint peace commission's of 1781 (JA, D&A, 4:180–183; JA, Papers, 11:374–377). For the resolution of the question of whether a tacit or express recognition of American independence was required before negotiations could begin, see Richard Oswald's commission of [21 Sept.], below.
4. It is not known when this promise was made or to what specifically it refers, but it may have been done during Laurens' visits to JA at The Hague in late May and early June.
5. Henry Laurens Jr.
6. Laurens wrote to several people in England, including Edward Bridgen, Richard Oswald, and Thomas Day, in pursuit of a passport to return to America. On 1 Sept., Day informed Laurens that Thomas Townshend, the home secretary, had granted him a passport, which he received on 18 Sept. (Laurens, Papers, 15:557, 571–572, 604; 16:2).

Docno: ADMS-06-13-02-0164

Author: Laurens, Henry
Recipient: Adams, John
Date: 1782-08-27

From Henry Laurens

[salute] Dear Sir

Soon after I had dispatched a Letter to you this Morning, under the 25th. Inst. I was honor'd by yours of the 18th. but too late for an answer by this days Mail. You inclosed Copy of an old Letter from Mr. Valltravers, which had without doubt been sent to you merely for information that I had given no answer to the original which had cost 5/. in London. The Copy bears the heaviest part of nine Livres, I recd. one from him a few days ago at 6 Livres. too much for a poor fellow who has no public fund in hand for contingent charges. He comes exactly under your description, I must write a short answer to save further trouble,1 for 'tis not in my power to promote his views—but don't forward any more of his Billets, which the Gentleman thinks valuable and honorable in proportion to their bulk.
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The Copy of Mr. Fitzherbert's Commission shall be transmited to Congress by a Vessel for Boston in a day or two.2
I think an answer to your question on “Quorum cunque Statuum &ca”3 anticipated in my last; but if you did not know it before please to remember I am a very indifferent Latinist; as well however, as without assistance, I can hammer out a construction upon the sentence taken alltogether, there's no difficulty on your side; If the British Ministers sit down with, they acknowledge, you.4 acknowledge you to be a State Interested or whom it doth concern and the late Act of Parliament for enabling the King to make Peace &ca. lame as it is, affords a sanction. But remember I plead ignorance. And in that Case you may rest tranquil, regardless of Lord Shelburne's “mind.” But I still see it possible, that a General Peace may be agreed upon, by a Treaty or Treaties, which shall terminate the War, Independence tacitly or formally assured to the United States France and America at Liberty to lay down their Arms and you Gentlemen Commissioners not call'd upon to set down about the business except by the Court of France for your formal consent. This I know was not the meaning of our Ally in 1778. and I have already said, 'tis inconsistent with the honor and the Interest of the Court of France to subject the United States to such an affront, wherefore I am not apprehensive on that score, there is nevertheless a possibility. If the formal Consent is refused, what then? I have given the answer. Congress in that Year or the next bound themselves by a declaratory and explanatory Resolve,5 which only proves that on their side there were doubts, our Ally was pleased by that Act but I know of no mutual obligation. Be this as it may, unless Great Britain has a deep design, first to make a general Peace, submiting to the Letter of our 8th. Article, then to pick a quarrel with us and renew hostilities, she must come to us, in the general Treaty, or seperately, but hand in hand with the other. France will look at this with a jealos Eye, and we have enough in reserve, but the United States should be on their guard and not too suddenly, “lay down their Arms.”6
I have spoken of possibilities, of what may happen; founded on a certain ground of suspicion that the King of Great Britain Aims at effecting a general Peace, without a direct participation by his revolted subjects. Thence the apparent ambiguity of the words you have quoted; I have said, the Court of France will not, or will not suddenly, gratify his humor, there is another Court to whom we are { 399 } not yet known as an Independent Nation; You will receive light from the first serios Convention. I repeat that I would not so freely Commit my self to every Man.
“Don't you wish your self one of the Peace Makers”? I have long since given a possitive answer, and have only to add, the business is in very good hands, three, especialy at this time, is a more convenient and safe number than four, the fourth might prove an incumbrance but could add no weight of abilities. Proceed quietly, don't be embarrassed by appearances, make a good Peace and you shall partake of the blessing you have pronounced.
Mynheer Brantsen gives time for the surrender of Gibraltar and the recapture of St. Christophers &ca. for the evacuation of Charles Town and N. York, events, some of which we may hear of about the day he is to commence his journey diplomatique; to be sure he will enter with a better grace and have the better ground for demanding Restitution and Indemnification, but I should have received more satisfaction had I been assured that yourself and that Gentlemen were already at Paris.

[salute] God bless you & give you success.

[signed] Henry Laurens
The next time a Packet from you comes directed to His Excellency Henry Laurens &ca Mr. Laurens will disclaim it.
1. The copy sent by JA was of Valltravers' letter of 24 March, while the more recent letter from Valltravers mentioned by Laurens was probably of 19 June (both ScL [ScU]). It is not known whether Laurens followed through on his intention, but Valltravers wrote to him on 25 Sept., for which see JA's letter of 18 Aug., note 1, above.
2. The copy of Fitzherbert's commission was enclosed with Laurens' letter of 5 Sept. to Robert R. Livingston (Laurens, Papers, 16:7–10).
3. Closing quotation marks supplied.
4. At this point an asterisk refers to a passage, comprising the following two sentences, that was written below the postscript and intended for insertion here.
5. Laurens is referring to Congress' resolution of 14 Jan. 1779. In a letter of 7 Dec. 1778, Conrad Alexandre Gérard wrote that “it is pretended the United States have preserved the liberty of treating with Great Britain separately from their ally, as long as Great Britain shall not have declared war against the king his master.” In response to the report of the committee to which Gerard's letter was referred, and in which Arts. 1 and 8 of the Franco-American Treaty of Alliance were cited, Congress unanimously resolved, “That as neither France or these United States may of right, so these United States will not conclude either truce or peace with the common enemy, without the formal consent of their ally first obtained, and that any matters or things which may be insinuated or asserted to the contrary therefore tend to the injury and dishonor of the said states”(JCC, 13:61–63).
6. The quotation is from Art. 8 of the Franco-American Treaty of Alliance (Miller, Treaties, 2:38–39).
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