Diary of John Quincy Adams, volume 1
1783-08-23
This morning I went and paid a visit to the Baron de la Houze
the Minister of France at the Court of Denmark, who is here at present by Congé, and whom I had the honour of seeing at Copenhagen. He
talked to me a great deal about America. He said he believed that France, England and
Holland would carry on the greatest part of our Commerce; that the Nations of the North
wanted a number of our Commodities, but had nothing but ready money (and very little of
that) to give us in return. He said he believed that the population of America was equal to
that of Sweeden and Denmark together; that he had made a Calculation, and that those two
Kingdoms did not contain more than four millions of souls, that Denmark would never be more
peopled, while the present Constitution lasted, for the whole Nation consisted of the
Nobility and the Serfs: and that Nothing could discourage Population more than personal
Slavery, that Sweeden it was true was not in that State; that the Peasantry were free, but
that both the Population and the Finances of that Country had been exhausted, by the ruinous
Wars of Charles the 12th. and their Consequences which were still felt in Sweeden, but that
the Commerce of that Kingdom was increasing every day, and that it promised soon to be in a
flourishing Condition, and in that Case, the Population would also increase. He then Spoke
of the Duties which ships were obliged to pay for the passage of the Sound, he said it was
an unjust tribute which all Nations were obliged to pay to Denmark, and it was the fault of
the other Nations that suffered it. I asked him, how Denmark came by it, rather than
Sweeden, the coasts of which are on the opposite Side. He said that all those coasts
belonged formerly to Denmark when this imposition began, by some Dutch Ships having paid
voluntarily a duty; and Denmark made herself a right of it, 187and have obliged every ship that passes to pay the duty; and altho'
the province of Scania which forms the Coast on the other Side, has been since ceded to
Sweeden still Denmark has kept up that right; besides, he said, there was another reason,
which was that on the Sweedish side there were several sand banks, and the water was not
deep enough for large vessells to pass over, so that they were obliged to pass very near the
Danish side. He said it brought the King a revenue of about 6 millions of livres per annum:
and that the expences of the fortress &c. mounted to about two millions.