Papers of John Adams, volume 14

From Wilhem & Jan Willink, Nicolaas & Jacob van Staphorst, and De la Lande & Fynje, 15 November 1782 Staphorst, Nicolaas & Jacob van (business) Willink, Wilhem & Jan (business) Adams, John
From Wilhem & Jan Willink, Nicolaas & Jacob van Staphorst, and De la Lande & Fynje
Sir Amsterdam 15 Novr. 1782.

We duly received the honour of your Excellencies favour dated the 5th. of this Month, with the Ratification of the bonds by Congres. We immediately have given it to the Interpreter, to procure us a Translation in Dutch, and will then show it to the Undertakers for their approbation. By which means we will be able to pay out the money.

Your Excellency desire to know what Sum is now in cash? We wrote some days past to Mr. Livingston and the notice of what we

advised him amounts to ƒ 1678.000—1
of this must be deducted the charges &c.
which we calculate, about "  78 000—
Thus the Sum actually to disposition of Congres is ƒ 1600.000—

This sum is quit ready. But Sir, we are in the necessity to ask your advice and direction, before we begin to pay it. Your Exce. will please to observe by the inclosed copy of a letter from the Treasurer Mr. Robert Morris, that he desires to keep a considerable part of the Loan in favour of Mr. Grand, and Mess Le Couteulx & Compe. at Paris, without mentioning the Limits of those credits.2 Besides he was looking out for opportunities to draw Bills upon us, again without saying for what Sum. And we remember that your Exce. advised to Congres that you was willing to dispose of part of the Loan for 60payment of the Drafts upon Mr. Laurens, and that you presumed this object could go till about ƒ 200.000—3

Now Sir, Mess. Le Couteulx & Co. by their Letter received at the same time, are speaking of two Millions of florins, and Mr. Grand desires that we should remit him about £[₶]4 400.000— and says further that his disbursement, which we are to supply, could go to a million.

Your Excellency will observe that it is impossible for us to make face with the Sum, which is now in cash, and which we may expect in a short time, to all the Said objects. It seems necessary to reserve a Sum for the Drafts on Mr. Laurens, and those which Mr. Morris may draw upon us, since certainly by no means those Drafts must be exposed. But how much shall we reserve for it. Your Exce. will oblige us to give us your directions about this point, and further how we are to devide the remainder between the two houses of Mess Grand & Le Couteulx. Since the order of Mr. Morris is so unlimited this is the only way for us to be sure that we act to the Satisfaction of our Principals, and therefore we are determined to follow your Excellencies most esteemd orders, and we will advise you further what Sums we shall receive. We beg to be assured that we will employ our best endeavours, to encourage and to promote this Loan as much as lay in our power. However it is not necessary to tell you that probably this will for the present not answer our wishes, since you are informed of the multitude of Loans, which are now in course, and money becomes every day scarser.

The Letters for Mr. Dumas shall be forwarded this evening to the Hague.5

It gives us a great pleasure to observe that the news of the connexion between our Republic, and the United States was received there with Joy and Satisfaction. We wish that it may ever prove to the benefit of both parties, and that the many obstacles, which now hinder the Trade, to be so brisk, and so regular as would be necessary, may soon be removed, and then the Public and private connexions may be extended. We shall always esteem it our duty to contribute to these views as much as will be in our power. And to execute the business, which Congres and your Excellency may trust to our care with Zeal and Candour.

We have the honour to be most respectfully / of Your Excellency / the most humble & most ob. Servants

Wilhem & Jan Willink Nics. & Jacob van Staphorst. de la Lande & fynje

RC and enclosure (Adams Papers); internal address: “To his Excellency John Adams / Esqr Paris”; endorsed: “M. Willinks & Co. 15. Nov. / ansd 19. 1782.”


The consortium wrote to Livingston on 12 Nov. and included a copy of its letter to him of 16 Aug. (PCC, No. 145, f. 175–177). The consortium there indicated the monthly sums received since the opening of the loan: June, ƒ 1,314,000; July, ƒ 170,000; Aug., ƒ 93,000; Sept., ƒ 71,000; Oct., ƒ 30,000; for a total, as stated in this letter to JA, of ƒ 1,678,000. The steady monthly decline in the amounts being invested explains the consortium's pessimism about the loan's progress, its anxiety over being able to meet the demands of Le Couteulx & Co. and the Grands, and its request for JA's intervention and guidance. For JA's response, see his letter of 19 Nov., below.


It is unclear what letter from Robert Morris was enclosed, because in his reply of 19 Nov., below, JA indicated that he had not received an enclosure. The consortium may have intended to send Morris’ second letter of 24 Sept., which does mention Grand but also directs with regard to Le Couteulx & Co. “that Bills drawn by that House to whatever Amount be punctually honored and paid on Account of the United States.” However, with this letter in the Adams Papers is a copy of Morris’ second letter of 28 Sept., in which he indicated that he had “disposed of a considerable Part of it [the Dutch loan] in Favor of Mr. Grand and of Messrs. Le Couteulx and Co. of Paris” (Morris, Papers , 6:427–428, 458–459).


JA's 11 Aug. letter to the consortium (vol. 13:228–229).


That is, 400,000 livres tournois. In this and other letters to JA where the consortium uses only the pound sign to indicate livre tournois, the editors have followed it with the livre tournois symbol (₶) in brackets.


For the letters to Dumas, see JA's 5 Nov. letter to the consortium, and note 2, above.

To Jonathan Jackson, 17 November 1782 Adams, John Jackson, Jonathan
To Jonathan Jackson
Sir Paris November 17. 1782

Upon my Arrival here, I found, Mr Jay, in very delicate Health, in the midst of great affairs and without a Clerk. He told me, he had Scarcely Strength to draw up a State of the Negotiation hitherto, but that he must do it, for Congress. I offered him the Assistance which Mr Thaxter could afford him, in Copying, which he accepted.1

Mr Jay as well as Dr Franklin and myself, are exceedingly embarrassed by some of our Instructions. The other Gentlemen will Speak for themselves.2

No Man has an higher Sense than I have of the obligation of Instructions given by the Principal to a Deputy. it is a Point of Duty to observe them.

A French Minister has only to ascend a Pair of Stairs, to propose a doubt, to offer reasons, to lay open Facts, for the advice or orders of his Master and his Council. A Spanish, Dutch, or English Ambassador, has only to send a Courier, and receive an Answer in a few days. But We are at a vast distance. Dispatches are opened—Vessells are taken, and the difficulties of Communication are innumerable. Facts unknown, when Instructions were given turn up.— whole Systems of Policy appear in a striking Light, which were not Suspected. 62Yet the Time presses, all Europe waits and We must Act.— In such a Case I know of no other Rule, than to construe Instructions, as We do all other Precepts and Maxims, by Such Limitations, Restrictions and Exceptions as Reason, Necessity & the Nature of Things point out.

When I Speak of this Court, I know not, that any other Minister is included, but that of foreign affairs. A whole System of Policy is now, as glaring as they3 day, which perhaps, Congress and the People of America, have little suspicion of. The Evidence now results from a large View of all our European Negotiations. The Same Principle, and the Same System has been uniformly pursued, from the Beginning of my Knowledge of our Affairs in Europe in April 1778, to this hour.— It has been pursued in France, in Spain, in Holland, in Russia, and even in England. In substance it has been this, in Assistance afforded Us in Naval Force and in Money, to keep Us from Succumbing and nothing more. To prevent us from ridding ourselves wholly of our Ennemies, and from growing rich and powerfull.— to prevent Us from obtaining Acknowledgments of our Independence, by other foreign Powers, and from acquiring Consideration in Europe, or any Advantage in the Peace, but what is expressly Stipulated in the Treaties.—to deprive Us of the Grand Fishery, the Missisippi River the Western Lands, and to Saddle Us with the Tories. To these Ends, by all I have learned of Mr Dana's Negotiations in Russia, Mr Jays in Spain, and my own in Holland, it is evident to me, that the Comte de Montmorin, the Marquis de Verac, and the Duke de la Vauguion, have been governed by the Same Instructions vizt. instead of favouring to prevent, if possible, our Success. In Holland I can Speak with Knowledge, and I declare, that he did every Thing in his Power, to prevent me, and that I verily believe he had Instructions so to do, perhaps only from the Minister, untill I had declared to him, that no Advice of his, or the C de Vergennes nor even a Requisition from the King Should restrain me. and when he found that I was a Man not to be managed: that I was determined, and was as good as my Word, and further thought I should Succeed, he fell in with me, in order to give the Air of French Influence to Measures which French Influence never could have accomplished, and which he thought would be carried even if he opposed it. This instance is the stranger, as the Duke is an excellent Character and the Man I wish to meet every where in the Affairs of France and America.4

I must go further and Say, that the least Appearance of an 63independent Spirit in any American Minister, has been uniformly cause enough, to have his Character attacked.— Luckily, Mr Deane out of the Question, every American Minister in Europe, except Dr Franklin, has discovered, a Judgment, a Conscience and a Resolution of his own. and of Consequence every Minister, who has ever been here, has been frowned upon. on the Contrary Dr Franklin who has been plyant and Submissive in every Thing has been constantly cryed up to the Stars without doing any Thing to deserve it.

These Facts may allarm Congress more than they ought.— There is nothing to fear but the Want of Firmness in Congress. French Policy is So subtle, so penetrating and encroaching a Thing, that the only Way to oppose it, is to be steady, patient and determined. Poland and Sweeden, as well as Corsica and Geneva, exhibit horrid Effects of this Policy, because it was yielded to, whereas Switzerland, who never were afraid of France, and were always firm, has found her an excellent Ally for 150 Years. If We are Steadily supported by Congress, We shall go clearly to Windward of them but if Congress wavers and gives Way, the United States will receive a Blow that they will not recover in fifty Years.

The Affair of the Refugees, I think will divide Us, from the English at present, and precisely because the English are encouraged to insist upon a Compensation by this Court. if it depended upon my Vote, I would cut this Knot, at once. I would compensate the Wretches, how little Soever, they deserve it, nay how much soever they deserve the Contrary.—5 I foresee, We shall be prevented by it, from agreeing with Britain now, and be intrigued into the Measure at last, and that by this Court.

We have nothing to fear, from this Court, but in the particulars abovementioned. The Alliance is too necessary to them, We are too essential to them, for them to violate the Treaties, or to finally disgust and alienate Us.— But they have not known any more than England, the Men with whom they have to do.— a Man and his office was never better united, than Mr Jay and the Commission for Peace. had he been detained in Madrid as I was in Holland, and all left to Dr Franklin as was wished, all would have been lost.— if he is not Supported in Congress, We will both come home together and see, if We cannot have better Luck by Word of Mouth, than We have had by Letter to convince our Countrymen. The Thanks of Congress, in sound Policy and in perfect Justice ought to be given to Mr Jay for his Able and faithfull Execution of his Trust both in Spain and for Peace.


When We see the French intriguing with the English against Us, We have no Way to oppose it, but by Reasoning with the English to shew that they are intended to be the Dupes. inclosed are a few broken Minutes of Conversations, which were much more extended and particular, than they appear upon Paper. I submit them to your Discretion.6

I am amazed to see New Hampshire and Rhode Island and Delaware, where I find them sometimes in the Yeas and Nays. These Gentlemen and their States mean well but are deceived.

With great Esteem, I am, dear sir, your humble sert

J. Adams

RC (MHi:Misc. Bound Coll.); internal address: “Mr Jackson.” LbC (Adams Papers); APM Reel 110.


JA refers to John Jay's 121-page letter to Robert R. Livingston dated 17 Nov. (PCC, No. 110, II, f. 142–263; Wharton, Dipl. Corr. Amer. Rev. , 6:11–49). In this letter, more accurately described as a journal, Jay recounted the progress, or lack thereof, of his negotiations with France, Spain, and Great Britain since his arrival at Paris on 23 June. Near the end of his letter Jay noted that “on the 26th of October Mr. Adams arrived here, and in him I have found a very able and agreeable coadjutor.” A copy of Jay's letter in JA's hand is in the Adams Papers and his Diary entry for 17 Nov. begins with the sentence “have spent several Days in copying Mr. Jays dispatches” (JA, D&A , 3:54). For the likely effect of this exercise, see note 6.


At this point in the negotiations the issue was less the nature of commissioners’ instructions than their violation of them. Both JA and Jay were very apprehensive over what Congress’ reaction would be when it learned what had transpired, leading Jay to write in the next-to-last paragraph of his 17 Nov. letter that “I have written many disagreeable things in this letter, but I thought it my duty. I have also deviated from my instructions, which, though not to be justified, will, I hope, be excused on account of the singular and unforeseen circumstances which occasioned it” (Wharton, Dipl. Corr. Amer. Rev. , 6:49). But compare JA's comments on the instructions in this letter with those in his 18 Nov. letter to Livingston, below.


An inadvertence. In the Letterbook JA wrote “as the day.”


JA believed with some reason that France had opposed his mission to the Netherlands from the beginning and continued to obstruct his efforts throughout the two years he spent at Amsterdam and The Hague. He is referring specifically to La Vauguyon's opposition to the presentation of his 19 April 1781 memorial to the States General and to the conversations between the two men on 19 and 20 April 1781 (vol. 11:263–265).


JA's position as stated here was in contrast to that of Benjamin Franklin, for which see the draft article on loyalists, [ca. 26 Nov.], and note 1, below.


The “broken Minutes” were the first installment of what became JA's “Peace Journal,” but they were not enclosed with this letter. In its totality the version of the “Journal” referred to here consisted of extensive extracts from JA's Diary between 2 Nov. and 13 Dec. (JA, D&A , 3:41–96). JA likely was motivated to create such a document by the examples of John Jay (see note 1) and Franklin (Franklin, Papers , 37:291–292), both of whom produced journals of the negotiations and sent them to Congress. The decision by his colleagues to minutely inform Congress regarding the course of the negotiations and their roles in them almost certainly led JA to reconsider sending even a portion of his “Peace Journal” to Jackson. Instead he enclosed the entire journal with his 14 Dec. letter to Robert R. Livingston, below. Clearly the three men, by sending their journals to Congress, sought to deflect criticism for violating their instructions. For a detailed account of the history of JA's “Peace Journal,” two versions of which exist, see the Introduction, Part 1, above.