Papers of John Adams, volume 16

William Knox to John Adams, 7 December 1784 Knox, William Adams, John
From William Knox
Sir London 7. December 1784

Your politeness and Kind attention to me in Europe, together with the unequivocal regard I have for your character, induces me to make you a tender of my best services in the conveying any Commands or Letters you may wish to send to Boston for which place I have taken my Passage, and it is expected the Ship will sail in a fortnight or three Weeks, she is from Boston, and owned by Mr. James Swan, and Mr. John Merchant, and Commanded by Capt. Young father in Law to Mr. W. Tudor. Very ill Health has prevented my revising my Native Country at an earlier period & indeed for many Months deprived me of the pleasures of Society. I am happy to have so far recovered, as to undertake without reluctance a Winters voyage in order to join my good Brother and to me his enteresting Family, he and they are very well and live in Mrs: Jones’s House at Dorchester about five Miles from Boston.1

Your Kindness in communicating to me both at the Hague and in London information which you supposed might tend to enlarge my Ideas of Europian Politics, and wch. might one day or other by communications from me be of service to our dear Country, emboldens me, as I am on the point of returning, to beg information on some of the important subjects of Europe, as on my return interrogations will come from my various connections and Friends to whom I wish to convey valuable and well authenticated intelligence, these enquiries will not be few probably in Number, as it is my intention some time after my arrival to travel by Land from Boston to Charles-Town, from the same motives wch. have induced me to stay so long and to have made so many excursions thro’ the differentt parts of Europe. To make myself acquainted with the Mercantile interests of those Countries, wch. I have thought proper enough being myself a Man of Bassiness.2 I wish to confine my enquiries of your Opinion so far as can with propriety be communicated, to the more immediate State of the Emperor with the Dutch, Will the French or the King of Prussia assist the Dutch? if they will not who 443 will?— Whether you think the emperor has right as well as strength in his demands or is the right that might gives?— Whether you think there is a positive Combination among the great Catholic Powers of Europe to crush England and the Lesser Protestant ones? (this is an Idea of some very sensible people)— What is your Opinion of The present State of Ireland—and lastly whether the State of our Dear Country is as you wish it, on what amendments or improvements and in what particulars it stands most in need off?

I hear Sir Mrs. Adams is with you if So, pray make my very respectful Regards to her, and make my joint offers to her of service in taking her Commands. I am charmed with the Character of Mr. Jefferson who you have at Paris, had I ever seen him I should beg my Comps to him, such Characters give a Colour to the reputation of America, wch. the depraved state of Europe does not admit off. I pray God my dear Sir & I am sure you will not except to the ejaculation that Our Public Countrymen, may never adopt the wretched policy of intrigue and Mystery which pervades at present with scarcely an exception all the Courts of Europe, but prefer what I sincerely think is our national Character, (however great and numerous the deviations may be) plain Honesty, at the same time possessing such information, and Discerment as like the great Stairs formerly from the British Court as Minister to the Court of Verseilles, to be so superior to that unmanly system as to able even to counteract it in the most perfect manner.3 I hope you will excuse the trouble I mean to put you to, when you may easily see, and be assured of the propriety of my intentions on this subject. any other information you may think proper to communicate I shall gladly receive in the interim

I have the Honor to be with senti/ments of Respect, the most sincere / Sir, Your Mt. Obliged & Obt Servt

Wm. Knox

RC (Adams Papers); internal address: “His Excellency Mr. Adams—”; endorsed: “Mr W. Knox. / 7. Dec. Ansd. 15 / 1784”; notation: “To the Care of Lewis Teissier Esquire / No 22. Old Broad Street / London—”


William Knox, younger brother of Maj. Gen. Henry Knox, had been in Europe since 1781 to promote business and recover his health. He was returning to America aboard the Hero, Capt. John Young. Knox refers to William Tudor, JA’s former law clerk, who had married Delia Jarvis, daughter of Elias and Deliverance Atkins Jarvis, in 1778. Young became Tudor’s father-in-law by virtue of marrying Delia’s mother after her father’s early death (vol. 12:32; Sibley’s Harvard Graduates , 17:253, 254, 259; Deacon Tudor’s Diary, ed. William Tudor, Boston, 1896, p. 110). For JA’s acceptance of Knox’s offer to carry letters to America, see JA’s 15 Dec. 1784 letters to Knox and Cotton Tufts, both below.


This sentence was written in the left margin and marked for insertion at this point.

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From 1715 to 1720 John Dalrymple, 2d Earl of Stair (1673–1747), served at the French court as British minister plenipotentiary and then ambassador. Known for his extravagant expenditures and lifestyle, Stair’s most important and successful endeavor during his tenure was to keep the government in London informed of the activities of the pretender to the British throne, James Stuart, and then, after Stuart’s expulsion from France, those of his adherents ( DNB ).

John Adams to Marquis de Castries, 9 December 1784 Adams, John Castries, Marquis de
To the Marquis de Castries
Auteuil near Paris December 9: 1784.1 Monsieur le Maréchal

According to your desire, I have committed to writing the two or three Observations, on the business of Masts, Yards, and Bowsprits which I had last tuesday the Honour of making in Conversation with your Excellency at Paris.

The eastern Parts of the Massachusetts, particularly the Counties of York, Cumberland and Lincoln, and more especially the Lands lying near the four great Rivers, which meet in Merrimeeting Bay, and flow together, under the name of Kennebeck River into the Sea, are the Spot, upon which grow the best Pine Trees for Masts, which are found in America. and from whence the English Government, before the Revolution procured their Masts for large Ships, unless perhaps they obtained a few from some Parts of New-Hampshire. By the Charter of Massachusetts, Pine Trees were reserved to the Crown; and various Acts of Parliament were made from time to time forbidding upon severe Penalties private Persons to cut such trees. The King had an Officer under the Title of surveyor General of the Woods, who had under him a great Number of Deputy surveyors for the Inspection & conservation of these Trees. Mr: Wentworth the last Royal Governor of New Hampshire, was the last surveyor General, at whose request, the Subscriber, commenced and prosecuted a great Number of Libels, in the Court of Admiralty, at Boston, against Transgressors of those Acts of Parliament so that he thinks himself well warranted to say, that those Acts of Parliament instead of containing any proof of the bad Quality of American Pine Trees, as your Excellency was pleased to say, you had been informed, contain the best proofs of their Excellence, and of the high Esteem, in which the Parliament held them.2

There was a considerable Number of large Vessels, which were called Mast Ships constantly employ’d in transporting from 445 Kennebeck and Piscataqua Rivers, Pine Trees for Masts, Spars and Bowsprits for the Royal Navy. and the trees of thirty six Inches Diameter, which the English were very fond of, for their large Ships were only to be found in America.

There are upon the territory before described a number of Families, whose whole Occupation has been to cut, draw, and prepare, these Kind of Trees, for the royal Navy of England. it is a difficult, laborious and hazardous Business: and not very profitable: but being educated to this Employment from their Infancy, knowing perfectly the Country and the Lands where the Trees are, the proper Seasons, for the business, and having their Tools, and Machines as well as their Teems of Cattle, always ready and knowing all the most frugal Ways of saving Expenses and making Advantages, they were able to live by the Business, when other Persons without these Advantages would have ruined themselves. these People were commonly called Mast Men and they are so valuable a Sett of Men, that whoever first engages them whether the French or the English, will obtain an Advantage. The English are said to have sent an Agent to Boston, and there is no doubt that they will exert themselves to secure these Mast Men, unless your Excellency, by seizing a favourable Opportunity of contracting with some of the Americans now here, engage them before-hand.

Your Excellency will permit me to say, that I apprehend all surveys and Experiments made upon the Masts and Spars, now on board of the French Ships which were procured in America will not only be usseless, but illusory. it will not be a fair Tryal—because on the breaking out of Hostilities, between Great Britain and America, the whole System of the Masting Business and Commerce was broken up: the Mast Men, like the Fishermen not finding their usual Employment went into others, sold their Cattle, and laid aside their Tools: so that the Pine, Timber, furnished to the French Ships, although the best then and there to be had, was only such as was left by the English, or obtained by hazard in improper places and in a green unseasoned State. it is no wonder then if the Wood is found to shrink for the wood of the Pine Tree, is of such a Nature, that when cut and used green it always shrinks, whether it grows in America, or in Sweeden, Norway or Russia.

I am well informed that the most intelligent Officers of the British Navy, attribute the Loss of the great Number of the capital Ships, by bad Weather in the late War, a loss unprecedented in any 446 former War, wholly to the want of American Masts. The Ministry ordered their Expedition to Penobscot, in the view of obtaining Masts, but they found themselves disappointed. They found there Pine Trees it is true but no Mast Men, no sufficient Teems of Cattle, no proper Machines for the Business. All these were without their Lines. So that they obtained no Masts of any value.

There is not in America, at least within my Kowledge a Merchant more intelligent, or any way more capable, of giving your Excellency full Information upon the Subject, nor more worthy of Confidence, than Mr: Tracy and Mr: Jackson who are now in Paris, and to them I beg leave to refer.

With great and sincere Respect &c.

LbC in JQA’s hand (Adams Papers); internal address: “His Excellency the Maréchal de Castries”; APM Reel 107.


The meeting with the French naval minister, Charles Eugène Gabriel de La Croix, the Marquis de Castries, on Tuesday, 7 Dec., which JA describes in this letter, was originally to take place on 1 December. JA had written to Castries on 25 Nov. (LbC, APM Reel 107) to request a meeting to be attended by himself and Nathaniel Tracy, who had “something to propose to his Excellency, which he hopes may be beneficial to the Marine Service of the King.” The minister replied on the 30th, indicating that he would be available at 10:30 the following morning at his home in Paris (Adams Papers). Castries’ note reached JA on the afternoon of the day appointed for the meeting so that JA wrote again on Monday, 6 Dec. (LbC, APM Reel 107), requesting a new appointment, the date and time to be given to the person delivering JA’s letter.


The French Navy’s generally poor opinion of the quality of American masts was probably owing to the reasons given by JA in the third paragraph below. But prior to the Revolution the British government and navy held the American white pine, particularly from New Hampshire and Maine, to be of unsurpassed quality for use as masts and of vital importance to British naval strength. Indeed, the cutting of “all Trees of the Diameter of Twenty Four Inches and upwards of Twelve Inches from the ground” was reserved to the British government in the Massachusetts charter and later, in 1711 and 1722, by acts of Parliament (JA, Legal Papers , 2:247–253). For a more detailed account of the mast trade and the importance of white pine, as well as the cases wherein JA represented his longtime friend and Harvard classmate John Wentworth, royal governor of New Hampshire and Surveyor General of the Woods, see same, p. 247–274; for additional information on JA’s presentation to Castries, see his 13 Dec. 1784 letter to Samuel Osgood, below.