Papers of John Adams, volume 17

From Philip Mazzei, 27 September 1785 Mazzei, Philip Adams, John
From Philip Mazzei
Dear Sir, Paris, 27. September 1785.

Permit me, Sir, to give you my sincere thanks for the Kind letter you have taken the trouble to write to Mr. Jefferson on my account.1 I hope you recd. of Col. Franks my preceding of the 5th. instt., & would be much obliged to you, Sir, for the testimonial of the British merchts. I took the liberty in it to ask you for, as well as the other informations, should there by any Virginian able to furnish you with them. I would likewise be glad to Know the day of the first meeting of our Convention; as I only remember it was in the month of August 1784.

Having been pleased to express some time past, that you would 480not dislike to hear the motives, which induced me to think of & promote in Virginia the institution of a Society, now called the Constitutional Society, I shall endeavour to account for it as well as I can.

I must observe, Sir, that our Convention, in the spring of 1776, assumed to form a Constitution without a special power from the People to that effect; at a time too, when a good number of the Representatives were gone home for harvest, & those who remained were of course in a great hurry to go.2 I complained loudly of that step, & wrote a piece on purpose, which was signed by about 7/8 of my fellow-Countrymen to serve as Instructions to our Delegates, declaring that we would submit to it for the present, not to give our Enemy the hope of a want of union among us, but that we would considere it as a Govt. intended to serve only pro tempore, untill we should be at leasure to make a solid one with proper power, & the requisite solemnity. My dear Sir, I was (to my sorrow) the only person in Virginia, who made any public complaint about it, pointing out the dreadful evils our Posterity might labour under, from our want of legality, & even solemnity, in an affair likely to decide of the future happiness, or misery of a Community. Mr. Jefferson, who was at that time in Congress with Mr. Wythe, wrote a letter to Mr. Edd. Randolph in Williamsburgh, in which he observed that our Delegates had no right to make a Constitution without a special power from the People. I never heared that any thing more was said on that subject, during the war.

In the forming of the Constitution they lost sight of the Bill of Rights, & in every session of Assembly they have since departed, both from the Bill of Rights & the Constitution.

You will agree with me, I hope, Sir, in thinking that it would be dangerous to let our present Constitution remain upon an illegal foundation, was it even as good a one as we could wish. But, Sir, to mention only a few errors of the most alarming— One branch of our Legislature is omnipotent; the other, who ought to act as a wise & prudent tutor, is rendered almost insignificant & contemptible; our first Magistrate is a cyfer; the Executive & Judiciary Powers are totally dependent on the Legislative; the right of Suffrage & Representation is still on a very unequal footing; & the mode of election is upon the whole exceedingly bad.

When I lately returned to Virginia, I heared that Mr. Patrick Henry had declared against innovations. He had just gone home from the Assembly, where he had been a strong advocate against paying the 481british debts, & giving Congress the power of regulating trade. I went 250. miles to spend 5. days with him, on purpose to try what I could do. One of the most noble, most sensible, & virtuous men on the Globe, Col. James Madison (with whom I had been 9. days to consult, & digest matters) dispaired I could succeed in any one point.3 However, I succeeded fully on the article of giving power to Congress, & partly on the affair of the british debts. As to the Constitution, he agreed on its containing many errors, but declared against innovations for reasons which I could not, & I dare say you would not allow to be good. I wish that our old Friend may not be desirous of Keeping omnipotence in that House, where he himself is omnipotent. Probably he flatters himself, that no great evil will ever happen, because he does not see it imminent. I have Known many characters, who would have sacrificed their passions to the public good, if those passions had not mislead their judgement.

I have always been of opinion, that Freedom cannot long subsist in any Country, unless the generality of the People are sensible of its blessings, & tolerably well acquainted with the principles on which alone it can be supported. The situation I found my dear Country in, as soon as I arrived there, made me conclude that it was high time to do some thing for the instruction of the mass of People. I conceived that nothing could answer my end better than a Society, founded on the principles contained in the printed paper I took the liberty to send you. I conceived likewise, that when the People see a number of respectable men, among whom some of the first characters in the Country, purposely imployed in instructing them (in which undertaking they can have no particular interest, besidess the noble satisfaction of exerting their talents in support of liberty) they will not only be thankfull to them, but they also will, in all matters not easily understood, pay regard to their opinion in preference to that of certain persons, who now too easily & too often succeed to mislead them. You Know, Sir, much better than I do, that there will always be, in all Countries, some regulations necessary to be made for the wellfare of the Community, which will afford the cunning & self-interested favorable opportunities to deceive a number of good men; because their inconveniencies will easily & soon be seen & felt, while their good effects (’though so far superior as to bear no comparison with the inconveniencies) cannot be conceived, or rather foreseen but by a few, on account of their being remote, & the result of a variety & a complication of causes.


You may have observed, Sir, that there is among the Subscribers a number of men able to do a great deal of good, provided they can overcome indolence, the infernal Goddess who precide in all our affairs both public & private. There would have been a many more, had it been more Known, which was prevented by our being too scattered. But since its publication I understood that other clever fellows had applied to become Members. Col. George Mason, on whom I called in May last in my way to New-York, as soon as he saw the plan assured me he would be a Member, & do his duty as such.4 I wish he really would, as he can be an amazingly useful one. For my part, I can do very a little in it, but I will not certainly be backward in doing my duty; and as long as I do it to the best in my power, I shall feel a self approbation of my conduct. I do not conceive that the bad effects of the existing imperfections in our Govt. will affect me; I am old, & have no children; but the honest part of the inhabitants of this Globe are my brethren, Posterity my children; & was I to go & spend the remainder of my days in China, I would with pleasure, & in compliance with what I think my duty, contribute all my exertions to the forming of an asylum for Mankind from oppression.

I take the liberty to inclose you a copy of my Essay on Sumptuary Laws, mentioned in the records of the Society, & would be obliged to you for your opinion of it, in regard to the sentiments only, as I can have no pretension to the diction.5

I would take it as a particular favour, if you would with the whole power of your eloquence express to your most worthy Lady the high esteem, respect, & veneration, which from your Knowledge of me you can easily conceive I must entertain of her, after having been informed by our noble friend Mr. Jefferson of her charming, wonderful, & truly uncommon merit. I do not wonder now, that you could no be happy so far a part from so sensible & so amiable Companion.

I am with the most sincere attachment, & profound respect, / Dear Sir, / your Excellcy: most Humble, & / most Obedient Servant

Philip Mazzei

RC and enclosure (Adams Papers); internal address: “His Excellency John Adams Esqr.”; endorsed: “Mr Mazzei. / 5. septr. 1785.” The enclosure, for which see note 5, was filmed at [1780–1788?], APM Reel 353.


Of 11 Sept. (LbC, APM Reel 111), for which see Thomas Jefferson’s 4 Sept. letter, note 5, above.


When Gov. John Murray, 4th Earl of Dunmore, dissolved the House of Burgesses in 1774, the patriots replaced it almost 483immediately with a new legislative body, the Virginia Convention. In 1776 that body adopted a constitution for Virginia, in response to Congress’ recommendation that the colonies assume the powers of government. Mazzei believed that since the people had not specifically charged the convention with forming a constitution, the resulting document was simply a legislative act that could be altered like any other piece of legislation. Therefore, a special convention was needed to put its imprimatur on the fundamental law of the commonwealth, and it was for the purpose of achieving such an outcome that the Constitutional Society was created.

Jefferson, whose drafts influenced the 1776 constitution, shared Mazzei’s opinion and expounded on the issue at considerable length in his Notes on the State of Virginia, [Paris, 1785], Query 13, but a formal constitutional convention was not called until 1829, and then it produced the amended constitution of 1830. JA did not reply to this letter, nor did he supply Mazzei with the information requested, but he would have been interested in the 1776 constitution’s fate since the convention acted owing to a congressional resolution moved by JA. Moreover, the resulting constitution was heavily influenced by his Thoughts on Government (Philadelphia, 1776), which was taken from a letter by JA to George Wythe responding to the Virginian’s request for advice on forming a new government (vol. 4:65–93).


The minutes of the Constitutional Society indicate that James Madison and Patrick Henry were both members (Adams Papers). For Mazzei’s visits to Madison in the spring of 1784 and his subsequent meeting with Henry, see Madison, Papers, Congressional Series , 8:19–20, 22.


There is no indication that George Mason became a member of the Constitutional Society (Mazzei, Writings, 1:446–449).


The enclosure, entitled “Essay on Sumptuary Laws” and consisting of three and a quarter folio pages, is presumably that which the account of the 29 June 1784 meeting of the Constitutional Society—probably its last— indicates “Mr. Mazzei read to the Society” (Adams Papers). Mazzei’s essay focused on the need to prevent or prohibit “extravagance in dressing,” the “greatest enemy” to “good morals.” He ended by beseeching his fellow members to consider that “if the entire liberty of ostentation be left to the opulent, envy, jealousy, & natural pride will induce mankind to make all their efforts to acquire riches by any means even the most illegal, as has ever been & will ever be the case, & the excess of vice will ruin any Community whatever, altho’ its Government be in every other respect unexceptionable.”

Notice to Foreign Ministers on Mourning, 30 September 1785 Adams, John
Notice to Foreign Ministers on Mourning
Septr 30th. 1785

To Acquaint the Foreign Ministers of the Courts going into Mourning on Sunday next the 2d: of Octr. for His late Royal Highness The Infant Don Lewis Brother to His Catholic Majesty Vizt 1

The Ladies to wear black Silk or Velvet, Coloured Ribbons Fans and Tippets, or plain white or white and Gold or white and Silver Stuffs with black Ribbons.

The Men to wear black Coats, and black or plain white or white and Gold, or white and Silver Stuff Waistcoats full trimmed Coloured Swords and Buckles

And on Thursday the 6th: of October the Court to go out of Mourning—

RC (Adams Papers); addressed: “M Adams”; endorsed: “Court Mourning.”

484 1.

The Infante Luis Antonio Jaime de Borbón y Farnesio of Spain (1727–1785), the youngest brother and sometimes rival of Charles III, king of Spain, died at Arenas de San Pedro, Ávila, on 7 Aug. He was created archbishop and cardinal of Toledo at age nine but later renounced his religious responsibilities and became the 12th Conde de Chinchón in 1761 (Salvador Miranda, Cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, Biographical Dictionary, Florida International University Libraries,