Papers of John Adams, volume 17

552 To John Jay, 27 October 1785 Adams, John Jay, John
To John Jay
Dear Sir Grosvenor Square Westminster Octr. 27. 1785

Yesterday at the Levee at St. James’s, the Marquis of Carmarthen came to me and told me, that he Should deliver those Papers I had communicated to him relative to the Correspondence between Governor Bowdoin and Captain Stanhope, to Lord How, in whose Department it was to consider such Things. His Lordship added that He Thought some of the Letters extreamly improper in a Captain of a Man of War to a Governor: and that he had carefully examined the Letters of the Governor to See if there was any Thing which could have given Occasion to them or excused them: but that he could find nothing. I Suppose from this Information, that the Captains Letters will be dissapproved at Court as they are generally by Men of Sense, although Some of John Bulls Children, who cannot, or will not distinguish between ill Nature, or ill Manners, and Spirit, Applaud them.1

With great Regard, I have the Honour to be / Sir your most obedient and most humble / Servant

John Adams.

RC (PCC, No. 84, V, f. 709–710); internal address: “His Excellency John Jay Esqr / Secretary of State for foreign / Affairs.” LbC (Adams Papers); APM Reel 111.


For JA’s representation to the Marquis of Carmarthen regarding the Stanhope Affair, see his 21 Oct. letter to Jay, and note 3, above.

From Philip Mazzei, 29 October 1785 Mazzei, Philip Adams, John
From Philip Mazzei
Dear Sir, Paris, 29. October 1785.

The Marquis de la Fayette is just returned from Germany, where he has been in the way of observing, that the many lies & exagerations, which are every where spread to our disadvantage, must be injurious to our national honor, if we neglect contradicting them, as we have done hitherto with too much indolence.1 I have written already to some of my Friends in Congress, advising them to propose that their Minister in London be desired to Keep a printer in our interest, & not to mind a certain sum of money which can hardly be better imployed.2 I am convinced, however, that whatever has been said in News-papers has not prejudiced the World as much, as have done the writings of the untrue & partial Abbé Raynal, & the good natured & uninformed Abbé de Mably.3 The first is an Angloman, & 553the second has written for the mere sake of writing, probably in his dottage, without Knowing what he was about. His intenzions appear to have been good; & as he was Known to wish success to the American Cause, his blunders are of a worse consequence for us, than the partiality of the other. Whatever he says in our favor is supposed to be a compliment, & what he says against is litterally believed. Mr. de Marmontel4 & other good & great men having encouraged me to confute both, I have undertaken to do it. You may remember, Sir, that in regard to Abbé Raynal I would have confuted him better than 2. years ago, had I had then time to do it, & that I had with that view collected some materials. In regard to Abbé de Mably his honesty cannot be disputed, but his unbounded vanity neither. It was owing to the last, more than to his desire of doing good, that he could not refrain himself from writing on matters he did not understand. His determination to write the history of our glorious Revolution at that earley period proceeded from vanity, & from fear that some other writer might be in it before hand with him. The uneasiness you expressed on that occasion, & the trouble you took of writing so long & sensible dissertation, as you did, to persuade him to let that business alone, were clear demonstrations of your feelings against publications which might induce Mankind in error on things concerning America. If I remember well, I think Abbé de Mably said (after he had given up writing the history) that he would not be a mere spectator in regard to America, & that he would write on her constitutional Laws. A little after it was said in some News-papers, that Congress had applied to him desiring he would write a Code of Laws for the United States. I had on that account a serious conversation with him in your house, where I endeavoured unsuccessfully to persuade him to order the printer to contradict such an impudent & foolish lie. It was very easy to see, that the story pleased his vanity, & that he wished the World should believe it. You must have observed, that in his Observations on our Governments, addressed to you, he declares that he has written at your desire. I must add to it, that his friends make no scruple to say, that as soon as you had read them, you said “That book will be the shame or the happiness of America. If we are wise enough as to do what he tells us, we will be a happy People; & if we do not follow litterally his good advice, it will be our shame.” I should not easily have believed such daring assertion, had not Abbé Arnau told it myself in those very words. I lately met at Mr. Marmontel with a learned Prussian, who was exceedingly prejudiced against our 554Governments, persuaded of our deficiency in regard to the most salutary Laws, &c., &c., only from what he had read in Abbé de Mably’s Observations. I have no objection to a just Critic, but I will not suffer a heap of nonsense, wrong insinuations, & false assertions for want of information or from any other cause, to remain much longer unanswered.

In my letter of the 5th. Ulto. I took the liberty to desire your assistance in my undertaking to confute in general the false notions spread in Europe to our disadvantage, & the favor of a paper containing the declaration of the Merchants in London, in the beginning of the Revolution, relative the extraordinary payments they had recd. from America since the Association, besidess some informations which I have endeavoured in vain to collect here in Paris. In my preceding of the 27th. ditto I repeated the same application, which I beg leave to repeat again in this. I must likewise desire the favour of you, Sir, to let me Know whether I can contradict the assertion of Abbé de Mably, that you desired him to write on the several Constitutions of the United States. I have already observed in my Preface, that while you was Minister Plenipotentiary in Holland, but residing in Paris as Cheaf of the Delegation in the Commission for making peace, you wrote an elegant & sensible dissertation, pointing out the impossibility of writing a good history of the Revolution at that early period. I will be much obliged to you, Sir, for the favour of an answer as soon as convenient, & desiring my most respectful compliments to Mrs. Adams, I have the honor to be with the greatest respect & esteem, / Dear Sir, / Your Excellency’s most Obedient / & most Humble Servant

Philip Mazzei

RC (Adams Papers); endorsed: “Mr Mazzei. 29. Octr. 1785. / Ansd 15. Decr. 1785.”


For comments by the Marquis de Lafayette on the effectiveness of British misrepresentations of America, see his 4 Sept. letter to Thomas Jefferson written at Vienna, Jefferson, Papers , 8:478. Lafayette wrote that “I more than Ever wish we may, in the News papers, Counteract the Uncandid Accounts that are sometimes given.”


Probably a letter, not found, to James Monroe, William Grayson, and Samuel Hardy, all members of Congress from Virginia, to whom, as indicated in his 5 Oct. letter to Monroe, Mazzei had “lately written a long letter.” In the 5 Oct. letter, Mazzei also discussed Congress’ compensation of its diplomats and specifically referred to JA (Mazzei, Writings , 1:495–497).


Mazzei’s Recherches historiques et politiques sur les États-Unis de l’Amerique Septentrionale, Paris, 1788, undertaken at the urging of Jefferson and others, was a four-volume refutation of the Abbé Guillaume Thomas François Raynal’s Histoire philosophique et politique des établissements, et du commerce des Européens dans les deux Indes, 5 vols., Geneva, 1780; and the Abbé Gabriel Bonnot de Mably’s Observations sur le gouvernement et les loix des États-Unis d’Amérique, Amsterdam, 1784. Intending to “refute European prejudices about our governments and the present state of the union,” Mazzei attacked Raynal and Mably for inaccurate depictions of colonial settlement, religious toleration, freedom of the press, and a 555general lack of attention to the role of state constitutions in nation making (Philip Mazzei, Researches on the Unites States, transl. and ed. Constance D. Sherman, Charlottesville, Va., 1976, p. 1).

JA agreed with many of Mazzei’s criticisms of European writings on America and in the past had attempted to correct inaccuracies and even to discourage such publications. In Jan. 1782 he undertook a point-by-point rebuttal of Raynal’s Histoire in four articles intended for publication in Antoine Marie Cerisier’s Le politique hollandais. The articles did not appear, probably because upon further reflection JA decided it would be impolitic to criticize a popular writer who supported the American Revolution (vol. 12:204–213). In early 1783, after learning that Cerisier and Mably contemplated writing histories of the American Revolution, he successfully discouraged his friends from undertaking the project. In letters to Cerisier and Mably, he indicated the multitude of sources they would need to consult in order to produce accurate accounts, and which would be unavailable unless they were prepared to go to America (vol. 14:165–184). Mazzei mentions JA’s letter to Mably, probably having been informed of it by Jean François Marmontel, for whom see note 4. Marmontel had seen the original letter (same, p. 184–185).

Regarding Mably’s Observations, which he had shepherded through its publication in the Netherlands, JA was relatively unconcerned. The book had flaws, and JA agreed with many of Mazzei’s claims (vol. 16:xiii, 48, 49, 51). But the task of revising European histories of the American Revolution was fruitless, and JA assured Mazzei in his reply of 15 Dec. 1785 that “I am under no Fears at all that Americans will be mislead by his Errors, the most material of which relate to The Freedom of Conscience and the Press, Points in which all America is so well grounded, that the greatest Writer in the World, or who has been in it, would not be able to shake them, much less a Philosopher born & educated living and dying, in the Midst of Principles of Intollerance in Religion and Government” (DLC:Mazzei Papers).


Jean François Marmontel (1723–1799) was a French writer, historiographer, and frequent correspondent of Benjamin Franklin and Mazzei. Marmontel was, as Mazzei wrote, “one of our great Friends, and admirers of our Cause,” but he had recently circulated a critical appraisal of Virginia’s constitution, entitled Observations d’un ami des Américains sur le Gouvernement de la Virginie, in 1783 (vol. 14:185; Jefferson, Papers , 7:387; John Renwick, “Marmontel on the Government of Virginia (1783),” Journal of American Studies, 1:181–189 [Oct. 1967]).